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Attributes | |
ACN | 1385764 |
Time | |
Date | 201609 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201-1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | LAX.Airport |
State Reference | CA |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Flight Phase | Taxi |
Route In Use | None |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Flight Phase | Taxi |
Route In Use | None |
Person 1 | |
Function | Ground |
Qualification | Air Traffic Control Fully Certified |
Experience | Air Traffic Control Time Certified In Pos 1 (yrs) 20 |
Events | |
Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Conflict Ground Conflict Less Severe Deviation - Procedural Clearance Ground Incursion Taxiway |
Narrative:
I had 3 aircraft; sequenced to follow each other; into the alley. Two aircraft were facing each other. Aircraft X facing east was supposed to taxi in last; but was told by the ramp tower to taxi first. I attempted to reach out to aircraft X and stop them; but to no avail. Lax is incredibly complex. Ground control was determined by the natca national safety representative to be the most difficult ATC position in the NAS.in a follow-up discussion with the ramp people they stated that the pilot 'misunderstood' their instructions. This seems to be their standard response when we query them about similar scenarios. The opposite facing aircraft; who was number one; did not move. This clearly indicates; and validates after innumerable erroneous clearances issued by the ramp tower; that they told the west facing aircraft; aircraft Y to follow company. It was not a pilot deviation; but another safety related situation caused as a direct result of ineptitude. Ground control pushes aircraft onto taxiways. If I had been pushing based on my clearance and not the one given by [company X]; airplanes could have easily collided and then what conversation are we having?ramp needs to be relieved of its duties and have them safely returned to lax tower. Rumor has it that [company X] will be shifting to [a different side] of lax. If this is true we may or may not see aircraft clip wings; but we certainly will see the taxiways ground to a halt. If this happens then traffic will back up to the runways and any number of safety compromising scenarios could play out.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: LAX Ground Controller reported communication issues with Ramp Tower. Reportedly; Ramp Control changed instructions given to an aircraft in the ramp movement area. Ground Controller reported this is an ongoing problem with this Ramp Tower.
Narrative: I had 3 aircraft; sequenced to follow each other; into the alley. Two aircraft were facing each other. Aircraft X facing East was supposed to taxi in last; but was told by the Ramp Tower to taxi first. I attempted to reach out to Aircraft X and stop them; but to no avail. LAX is incredibly complex. Ground Control was determined by the NATCA National Safety Representative to be the most difficult ATC position in the NAS.In a follow-up discussion with the ramp people they stated that the pilot 'misunderstood' their instructions. This seems to be their standard response when we query them about similar scenarios. The opposite facing aircraft; who was number one; did not move. This clearly indicates; and validates after innumerable erroneous clearances issued by the Ramp Tower; that they told the West facing aircraft; Aircraft Y to follow company. It was not a pilot deviation; but another safety related situation caused as a direct result of ineptitude. Ground Control pushes aircraft onto taxiways. If I had been pushing based on my clearance and not the one given by [company X]; airplanes could have easily collided and then what conversation are we having?Ramp needs to be relieved of its duties and have them safely returned to LAX Tower. Rumor has it that [company X] will be shifting to [a different side] of LAX. If this is true we may or may not see aircraft clip wings; but we certainly will see the taxiways ground to a halt. If this happens then traffic will back up to the runways and any number of safety compromising scenarios could play out.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.