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Attributes | |
ACN | 138622 |
Time | |
Date | 199003 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : stl |
State Reference | MO |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 8000 msl bound upper : 8000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : stl |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | cruise other cruise other |
Route In Use | departure other enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Small Transport, Low Wing, 2 Recip Eng |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 160 flight time total : 16000 flight time type : 10000 |
ASRS Report | 138622 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : nmac non adherence : required legal separation other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : insufficient time |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 0 vertical : 300 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Air Traffic Incident | other other |
Narrative:
After takeoff from stl, runway 30R, we were assigned 3 different and progressive headings and altitudes, the last of which was 060 degree heading and 8000' for vectors out of airport area. We were stable on heading and altitude for only 1 min when departure gave us opp direction traffic, a twin small transport, wbound, 12 O'clock and I don't remember the distance but it was close--3 mi or less. My first reaction was to scan below, as that's usually where traffic is. Seeing nothing lower I looked up just in time to see the belly of a light twin in the center panel of the windshield directly overhead and close. It didn't look like more than 300' and possibly less. I asked the controller about the altitude of the traffic and he responded, 'more than 8000'.' 8000' is the top of the TCA. There was no time for evasive action. I believe controller workload played a large part, because it was a very short advance notice. An evasive heading could have been given. By his response he had a good idea of the aircraft altitude. My first officer, who was flying, never saw the traffic, even thought he was looking. An 8000' altitude assignment is very unusual on stl departure.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: POSSIBLE NMAC.
Narrative: AFTER TKOF FROM STL, RWY 30R, WE WERE ASSIGNED 3 DIFFERENT AND PROGRESSIVE HDGS AND ALTS, THE LAST OF WHICH WAS 060 DEG HDG AND 8000' FOR VECTORS OUT OF ARPT AREA. WE WERE STABLE ON HDG AND ALT FOR ONLY 1 MIN WHEN DEP GAVE US OPP DIRECTION TFC, A TWIN SMT, WBOUND, 12 O'CLOCK AND I DON'T REMEMBER THE DISTANCE BUT IT WAS CLOSE--3 MI OR LESS. MY FIRST REACTION WAS TO SCAN BELOW, AS THAT'S USUALLY WHERE TFC IS. SEEING NOTHING LOWER I LOOKED UP JUST IN TIME TO SEE THE BELLY OF A LIGHT TWIN IN THE CENTER PANEL OF THE WINDSHIELD DIRECTLY OVERHEAD AND CLOSE. IT DIDN'T LOOK LIKE MORE THAN 300' AND POSSIBLY LESS. I ASKED THE CTLR ABOUT THE ALT OF THE TFC AND HE RESPONDED, 'MORE THAN 8000'.' 8000' IS THE TOP OF THE TCA. THERE WAS NO TIME FOR EVASIVE ACTION. I BELIEVE CTLR WORKLOAD PLAYED A LARGE PART, BECAUSE IT WAS A VERY SHORT ADVANCE NOTICE. AN EVASIVE HDG COULD HAVE BEEN GIVEN. BY HIS RESPONSE HE HAD A GOOD IDEA OF THE ACFT ALT. MY F/O, WHO WAS FLYING, NEVER SAW THE TFC, EVEN THOUGHT HE WAS LOOKING. AN 8000' ALT ASSIGNMENT IS VERY UNUSUAL ON STL DEP.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.