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Attributes | |
ACN | 138739 |
Time | |
Date | 199003 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : dpk |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 7500 msl bound upper : 8000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | arrival other enroute airway : n90 |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time total : 18000 flight time type : 5000 |
ASRS Report | 138739 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Ny approach cleared my aircraft to descend to 8000' and reported VFR traffic at 12 O'clock 7500'. Overcast cloud deck was entered at 8500'. Further descent showed bottom of cloud deck to be 5800'. I advised controller of IMC conditions but was indirectly advised to mind my own business. VFR operations in IFR flight conditions are illegal and unsafe. Approach apparently made no attempt to determine actual flight conditions of VFR aircraft. As a result, I believe my IMC altitude sep was reduced to 500'.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR WAS ISSUED TRAFFIC WHILE IN THE CLOUDS AND BELIEVES OTHER ACFT WAS VMC IN IMC CONDITIONS.
Narrative: NY APCH CLRED MY ACFT TO DSND TO 8000' AND RPTED VFR TFC AT 12 O'CLOCK 7500'. OVCST CLOUD DECK WAS ENTERED AT 8500'. FURTHER DSCNT SHOWED BOTTOM OF CLOUD DECK TO BE 5800'. I ADVISED CTLR OF IMC CONDITIONS BUT WAS INDIRECTLY ADVISED TO MIND MY OWN BUSINESS. VFR OPS IN IFR FLT CONDITIONS ARE ILLEGAL AND UNSAFE. APCH APPARENTLY MADE NO ATTEMPT TO DETERMINE ACTUAL FLT CONDITIONS OF VFR ACFT. AS A RESULT, I BELIEVE MY IMC ALT SEP WAS REDUCED TO 500'.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.