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Air carrier put into hold, right turns. Verification requested by ATC, then told to descend immediately. Flight crew confirmed clearance and had complied. ATC error.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 138899 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199002 |
| Day | Tue |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : bdf |
| State Reference | IL |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 28000 msl bound upper : 29000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Night |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zkc |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
| Flight Phase | cruise other other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : atp pilot : commercial |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 85 flight time total : 13000 flight time type : 727 |
| ASRS Report | 138899 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 6000 |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
We were given clearance to '...hold at magoo as published FL290.' upon entering the hold at FL290 (bdf 215/87 mi right turns) center asked if we were in a right turn. When we confirmed a right turn we were told to descend immediately to FL280, traffic at 1 O'clock 12 mi. We complied immediately, then confirmed that we were cleared to hold as published. Center replied that we were cleared as published and he confirmed that we had and that he had made a mistake and 'things had been a little hectic for us and him. I said I just wanted to be sure we hadn't done something wrong. The only thing of consequence to come out of the event was passenger discomfort due to the sudden push over to comply with ATC.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR PUT INTO HOLD, RIGHT TURNS. VERIFICATION REQUESTED BY ATC, THEN TOLD TO DESCEND IMMEDIATELY. FLT CREW CONFIRMED CLRNC AND HAD COMPLIED. ATC ERROR.
Narrative: WE WERE GIVEN CLRNC TO '...HOLD AT MAGOO AS PUBLISHED FL290.' UPON ENTERING THE HOLD AT FL290 (BDF 215/87 MI RIGHT TURNS) CENTER ASKED IF WE WERE IN A RIGHT TURN. WHEN WE CONFIRMED A RIGHT TURN WE WERE TOLD TO DSND IMMEDIATELY TO FL280, TFC AT 1 O'CLOCK 12 MI. WE COMPLIED IMMEDIATELY, THEN CONFIRMED THAT WE WERE CLRED TO HOLD AS PUBLISHED. CENTER REPLIED THAT WE WERE CLRED AS PUBLISHED AND HE CONFIRMED THAT WE HAD AND THAT HE HAD MADE A MISTAKE AND 'THINGS HAD BEEN A LITTLE HECTIC FOR US AND HIM. I SAID I JUST WANTED TO BE SURE WE HADN'T DONE SOMETHING WRONG. THE ONLY THING OF CONSEQUENCE TO COME OUT OF THE EVENT WAS PAX DISCOMFORT DUE TO THE SUDDEN PUSH OVER TO COMPLY WITH ATC.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.