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B737 captain reported being cleared via the RNLDI4 out of iad via pre departure clearance; then issued a heading by the tower without an altitude assignment; on numerous occasions.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 1398930 |
| Time | |
| Date | 201610 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | IAD.Airport |
| State Reference | DC |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Make Model Name | B737 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | Takeoff |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Function | Captain |
| Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy |
Narrative:
On two separate departures out of iad this week the same thing happened. Cleared via pre departure clearance to climb via the RNLDI4 RNAV departure. Tower issued a heading with the takeoff clearance without restating the altitude. ATC cannot vector you off an RNAV SID with a previously-issued climb via clearance without restating the altitude.however; they do this all the time at dulles. Literally every departure every day. I've filed multiple reports on this issue. It's time to stop making excuses and just fix the problem. Tell the controllers to follow the correct procedures; change the pre departure clearance so it doesn't say 'climb via' and instead says 'maintain;' or else stop using these RNAV departures altogether until they can figure out how to solve a seemingly simple problem.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B737 Captain reported being cleared via the RNLDI4 out of IAD via PDC; then issued a heading by the Tower without an altitude assignment; on numerous occasions.
Narrative: On two separate departures out of IAD this week the same thing happened. Cleared via PDC to climb via the RNLDI4 RNAV departure. Tower issued a heading with the takeoff clearance without restating the altitude. ATC cannot vector you off an RNAV SID with a previously-issued climb via clearance without restating the altitude.However; they do this ALL THE TIME at Dulles. Literally every departure every day. I've filed multiple reports on this issue. It's time to stop making excuses and just fix the problem. Tell the controllers to follow the correct procedures; change the PDC so it doesn't say 'climb via' and instead says 'maintain;' or else stop using these RNAV departures altogether until they can figure out how to solve a seemingly simple problem.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.