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Attributes | |
ACN | 140182 |
Time | |
Date | 199003 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : alb |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 2115 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : alb tower : alb artcc : zmp |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Light Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach descent other landing other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 8000 flight time type : 2000 |
ASRS Report | 130182 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 110 flight time total : 1125 flight time type : 100 |
ASRS Report | 140293 |
Events | |
Anomaly | incursion : landing without clearance non adherence : clearance non adherence : far |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
WX was reported 300 scattered, 700 overcast, 1 1/4, which is above landing minimums for the VOR approach to runway 28 at alb. I was flying with a new first officer who had been on the line for approximately 1 month. I elected to let the first officer fly the approach. We missed the first approach and I felt it was because the first officer did not get down to the MDA soon enough. We tried the approach again. I was very busy doing my PNF duties and supervising the approach to the point where I found myself talking him through the approach. When I called 100' to the MDA, I looked up to see if I had the airport. Then as I looked back down at my altimeter the first officer was descending through 700' (MDA is 780'). I grabbed the aircraft and pulled it back up to 780', took the aircraft from him saw the airport and landed. As we pulled off the runway I noticed we had not called tower. I don't remember approach ever turning me over to the tower. I feel this could have been avoided had I realized the WX was not what they called it and had I flown the approach. It was a very difficult approach and the copilot should not have been flying. Supplemental information from acn 140293: missed approach first try. Second try captain gave me altitude calls 200' different (lower) than my altimeter indicated and directed me to pull up, claiming I was about to be below minimums. I did as directed and at that point she became more directive for the rest of the approach with regards to speed control. We broke out 2 NM from the field in and out of scattered clouds. Captain called the field and directed me to land. I decided that I couldn't land from the position we were in and gave her the aircraft. When this incident broke and in informed her I would seek the chief pilot's guidance in filling out this report she then confessed that she had gone to the chief pilot with complaints about me--seemingly personal in nature--2 weeks prior. During that time I was unaware of these complaints and her perceptions of me.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR LTT LWOC AFTER AN IMC VOR APCH.
Narrative: WX WAS RPTED 300 SCATTERED, 700 OVCST, 1 1/4, WHICH IS ABOVE LNDG MINIMUMS FOR THE VOR APCH TO RWY 28 AT ALB. I WAS FLYING WITH A NEW F/O WHO HAD BEEN ON THE LINE FOR APPROX 1 MONTH. I ELECTED TO LET THE F/O FLY THE APCH. WE MISSED THE FIRST APCH AND I FELT IT WAS BECAUSE THE F/O DID NOT GET DOWN TO THE MDA SOON ENOUGH. WE TRIED THE APCH AGAIN. I WAS VERY BUSY DOING MY PNF DUTIES AND SUPERVISING THE APCH TO THE POINT WHERE I FOUND MYSELF TALKING HIM THROUGH THE APCH. WHEN I CALLED 100' TO THE MDA, I LOOKED UP TO SEE IF I HAD THE ARPT. THEN AS I LOOKED BACK DOWN AT MY ALTIMETER THE F/O WAS DSNDING THROUGH 700' (MDA IS 780'). I GRABBED THE ACFT AND PULLED IT BACK UP TO 780', TOOK THE ACFT FROM HIM SAW THE ARPT AND LANDED. AS WE PULLED OFF THE RWY I NOTICED WE HAD NOT CALLED TWR. I DON'T REMEMBER APCH EVER TURNING ME OVER TO THE TWR. I FEEL THIS COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED HAD I REALIZED THE WX WAS NOT WHAT THEY CALLED IT AND HAD I FLOWN THE APCH. IT WAS A VERY DIFFICULT APCH AND THE COPLT SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN FLYING. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 140293: MISSED APCH FIRST TRY. SECOND TRY CAPT GAVE ME ALT CALLS 200' DIFFERENT (LOWER) THAN MY ALTIMETER INDICATED AND DIRECTED ME TO PULL UP, CLAIMING I WAS ABOUT TO BE BELOW MINIMUMS. I DID AS DIRECTED AND AT THAT POINT SHE BECAME MORE DIRECTIVE FOR THE REST OF THE APCH WITH REGARDS TO SPD CONTROL. WE BROKE OUT 2 NM FROM THE FIELD IN AND OUT OF SCATTERED CLOUDS. CAPT CALLED THE FIELD AND DIRECTED ME TO LAND. I DECIDED THAT I COULDN'T LAND FROM THE POS WE WERE IN AND GAVE HER THE ACFT. WHEN THIS INCIDENT BROKE AND IN INFORMED HER I WOULD SEEK THE CHIEF PLT'S GUIDANCE IN FILLING OUT THIS RPT SHE THEN CONFESSED THAT SHE HAD GONE TO THE CHIEF PLT WITH COMPLAINTS ABOUT ME--SEEMINGLY PERSONAL IN NATURE--2 WKS PRIOR. DURING THAT TIME I WAS UNAWARE OF THESE COMPLAINTS AND HER PERCEPTIONS OF ME.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.