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Attributes | |
ACN | 1408753 |
Time | |
Date | 201612 |
Local Time Of Day | 0001-0600 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | ZBW.ARTCC |
State Reference | NH |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | Embraer Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | Cruise |
Route In Use | Vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Bombardier Learjet Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | Climb |
Route In Use | Direct |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Function | Enroute |
Qualification | Air Traffic Control Fully Certified |
Experience | Air Traffic Control Time Certified In Pos 1 (yrs) 6.0 |
Person 2 | |
Function | Captain |
Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) Flight Crew Flight Instructor |
Experience | Flight Crew Last 90 Days 40 Flight Crew Total 4500 Flight Crew Type 800 |
Events | |
Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Conflict Airborne Conflict Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy Deviation - Procedural Clearance |
Narrative:
Aircraft X was a departure level at 16000 feet on a westbound route. Aircraft Y was on a southwest bound route. I initially climbed aircraft Y to 15000 feet and issued traffic to both aircraft. Aircraft Y reported aircraft X in sight and since they were the only two aircraft in the vicinity and it appeared aircraft Y would be crossing behind the path of aircraft X. I instructed aircraft Y to maintain visual separation and climb to 23000 feet. I did not clearly understand aircraft Y 's read back the first time so I restated and asked for clarification that he would maintain visual separation. He responded that he would. I then told aircraft X that the other traffic had him in sight and would be climbing visually behind him. At the point that I made the decision to apply visual separation rules. The speed and climb rate of aircraft Y led me to think that he would be passing behind aircraft X and targets would not merge. Aircraft X then reported that he was responding to an resolution advisory (RA) and was climbing. I then verified again that aircraft Y still had the aircraft in sight. Aircraft Y responded that he did and I told him that aircraft X was responding to an RA and climbing now. Aircraft X then stated his concern for an aircraft getting that close to him and aircraft Y stated that they weren't that close. I don't think I would leave separation decisions to a general aviation pilot when an airline carrying hundreds of passengers are involved. Although visual separation is a tool to expedite traffic flow in this situation it would have only been a minute delay before the aircraft could continue his climb.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: Air Traffic Controller and Air Taxi Captain reported another aircraft had to respond to an RA and told the controller the climbing aircraft was too close.
Narrative: Aircraft X was a departure level at 16000 feet on a westbound route. Aircraft Y was on a southwest bound route. I initially climbed Aircraft Y to 15000 feet and issued traffic to both aircraft. Aircraft Y reported Aircraft X in sight and since they were the only two aircraft in the vicinity and it appeared Aircraft Y would be crossing behind the path of Aircraft X. I instructed Aircraft Y to maintain visual separation and climb to 23000 feet. I did not clearly understand Aircraft Y 's read back the first time so I restated and asked for clarification that he would maintain visual separation. He responded that he would. I then told Aircraft X that the other traffic had him in sight and would be climbing visually behind him. At the point that I made the decision to apply visual separation rules. The speed and climb rate of Aircraft Y led me to think that he would be passing behind Aircraft X and targets would not merge. Aircraft X then reported that he was responding to an Resolution Advisory (RA) and was climbing. I then verified again that Aircraft Y still had the aircraft in sight. Aircraft Y responded that he did and I told him that Aircraft X was responding to an RA and climbing now. Aircraft X then stated his concern for an aircraft getting that close to him and Aircraft Y stated that they weren't that close. I don't think I would leave separation decisions to a general aviation pilot when an airline carrying hundreds of passengers are involved. Although visual separation is a tool to expedite traffic flow in this situation it would have only been a minute delay before the aircraft could continue his climb.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.