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Attributes | |
ACN | 142305 |
Time | |
Date | 199004 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : fok |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 1600 msl bound upper : 2000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90 |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Small Aircraft |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | other |
Make Model Name | Military Transport |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | instruction : instructor |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : cfi pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time total : 1100 flight time type : 900 |
ASRS Report | 142305 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : approach |
Qualification | controller : radar |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | faa : investigated faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 2250 vertical : 350 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
We (a student, IFR refresher) were shooting an NDB-24 approach into fok in small aircraft X. Just outside of squir NDB at 1600' MSL, we encountered a mlt Y, less than 400' vertical, and 1/2 mi horizontal. Approach advised us that we would receive only the 1 NDB approach as a mlt Y would be doing a parachute drop over fok. While traffic was never called out to us by ATC, I initially saw the mlt Y airborne at 7-8 mi climbing nwbnd. As we neared the final approach fix (squir-first officer) on course, heading 245 degrees on 235 bearing to, I noticed the mlt Y much closer heading 3SE, then turning in toward our position. I queried tower as to the mlt intentions and did not receive proper information to aid me as to where the aircraft might be heading. West/O any help from ATC or advisory to the Y that we were on the approach and on an IFR flight plan, the aft turning in and we were forced to make a steep left descending turn toward the east as evasive action. The mlt Y claimed to be at 2000' MSL. He was VFR, however, it was clear that the pilot(south) never made an attempt to clear their area or avoid our plane, an small aircraft X. We were forced off an approach on an IFR flight plan because of this to avoid a midair collision at worst, and at best, to avoid damage from wake turbulence. While IFR we maintained see and avoid technique, the mlt Y while VFR made no such attempt. (A phone call to his commanding officer revealed he never saw us.) ATC was of no value in assisting either aircraft, with traffic advisories. A side note: a new miss report was filed with north.Y. TRACON and military personnel are being extremely tight-lipped, as they know there can be no civil action taken against one of their own. This matter will undoubtedly be lost in the shuffle on the blanket that covers the military pilots. There have been no previous problems with military aircraft in this area; we normally coexist very nicely. Their reaction to an obvious mistake is saddening to say the least.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: SMA, IFR, CLEARED ON INS APCH, HAS NON-CRITICAL CONFLICT WITH VFR MLT ON PARACHUTE JUMPING ACTIVITY INSIDE ATA.
Narrative: WE (A STUDENT, IFR REFRESHER) WERE SHOOTING AN NDB-24 APCH INTO FOK IN SMA X. JUST OUTSIDE OF SQUIR NDB AT 1600' MSL, WE ENCOUNTERED A MLT Y, LESS THAN 400' VERT, AND 1/2 MI HORIZ. APCH ADVISED US THAT WE WOULD RECEIVE ONLY THE 1 NDB APCH AS A MLT Y WOULD BE DOING A PARACHUTE DROP OVER FOK. WHILE TFC WAS NEVER CALLED OUT TO US BY ATC, I INITIALLY SAW THE MLT Y AIRBORNE AT 7-8 MI CLBING NWBND. AS WE NEARED THE FINAL APCH FIX (SQUIR-FO) ON COURSE, HDG 245 DEGS ON 235 BEARING TO, I NOTICED THE MLT Y MUCH CLOSER HDG 3SE, THEN TURNING IN TOWARD OUR POS. I QUERIED TWR AS TO THE MLT INTENTIONS AND DID NOT RECEIVE PROPER INFO TO AID ME AS TO WHERE THE ACFT MIGHT BE HDG. W/O ANY HELP FROM ATC OR ADVISORY TO THE Y THAT WE WERE ON THE APCH AND ON AN IFR FLT PLAN, THE AFT TURNING IN AND WE WERE FORCED TO MAKE A STEEP LEFT DSNDING TURN TOWARD THE E AS EVASIVE ACTION. THE MLT Y CLAIMED TO BE AT 2000' MSL. HE WAS VFR, HOWEVER, IT WAS CLEAR THAT THE PLT(S) NEVER MADE AN ATTEMPT TO CLR THEIR AREA OR AVOID OUR PLANE, AN SMA X. WE WERE FORCED OFF AN APCH ON AN IFR FLT PLAN BECAUSE OF THIS TO AVOID A MIDAIR COLLISION AT WORST, AND AT BEST, TO AVOID DAMAGE FROM WAKE TURB. WHILE IFR WE MAINTAINED SEE AND AVOID TECHNIQUE, THE MLT Y WHILE VFR MADE NO SUCH ATTEMPT. (A PHONE CALL TO HIS COMMANDING OFFICER REVEALED HE NEVER SAW US.) ATC WAS OF NO VALUE IN ASSISTING EITHER ACFT, WITH TFC ADVISORIES. A SIDE NOTE: A NEW MISS RPT WAS FILED WITH N.Y. TRACON AND MIL PERSONNEL ARE BEING EXTREMELY TIGHT-LIPPED, AS THEY KNOW THERE CAN BE NO CIVIL ACTION TAKEN AGAINST ONE OF THEIR OWN. THIS MATTER WILL UNDOUBTEDLY BE LOST IN THE SHUFFLE ON THE BLANKET THAT COVERS THE MIL PLTS. THERE HAVE BEEN NO PREVIOUS PROBS WITH MIL ACFT IN THIS AREA; WE NORMALLY COEXIST VERY NICELY. THEIR REACTION TO AN OBVIOUS MISTAKE IS SADDENING TO SAY THE LEAST.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.