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Attributes | |
ACN | 142709 |
Time | |
Date | 199004 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 0001 To 0600 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : bkl |
State Reference | OH |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air taxi |
Make Model Name | Small Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | ground : preflight |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air taxi |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 230 flight time total : 4800 flight time type : 2600 |
ASRS Report | 142709 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air taxi |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 190 flight time total : 6900 flight time type : 1800 |
ASRS Report | 142721 |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe |
Independent Detector | other other : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Aircraft |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
At bkl some FAA personnel advised us that they wanted to do a ramp inspection. I advised them that we usually do a quick turn only shutting down one engine but we were enough ahead of schedule that we could shut both down if they desired. They said that wouldn't be necessary and that they just needed to see our licenses and medicals. While they were looking those over a couple of them walked around the airplane looking it over. One came back and I thought what he indicated was that he noticed we had had some boundary layer energizers come off in the past but that they had been replaced because of the word 'wet' written on the wing beside them. Apparently what he was indicating was that we had one missing at that time. It was difficult to converse over the noise from the engine that was still running. We completed the route and on post flight inspection discovered that in fact we did have a ble missing. We had it replaced before further flight. If we had been aware of it in cleveland we would have contacted our maintenance before proceeding further. In the future if the FAA wants to do an inspection and we have the time, I think we should just shut everything down and take the time to do things correctly instead of yelling back and forth above engine noise.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: DURING A QUICK TURN AT BKL THE FAA CONDUCTED A RAMP CHECK OF ATX SMT. ONE ENG REMAINED RUNNING DURING THE CHECK AND THE SUBSEQUENT DEP WAS MADE WITH ONE VORTEX GENERATOR MISSING. REPORTERS SAY THE FAA SAID SOMETHING ABOUT THE VORTEC GENERATOR BUT THEY COULD NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS BEING SAID OVER THE ENG NOISE.
Narrative: AT BKL SOME FAA PERSONNEL ADVISED US THAT THEY WANTED TO DO A RAMP INSPECTION. I ADVISED THEM THAT WE USUALLY DO A QUICK TURN ONLY SHUTTING DOWN ONE ENG BUT WE WERE ENOUGH AHEAD OF SCHEDULE THAT WE COULD SHUT BOTH DOWN IF THEY DESIRED. THEY SAID THAT WOULDN'T BE NECESSARY AND THAT THEY JUST NEEDED TO SEE OUR LICENSES AND MEDICALS. WHILE THEY WERE LOOKING THOSE OVER A COUPLE OF THEM WALKED AROUND THE AIRPLANE LOOKING IT OVER. ONE CAME BACK AND I THOUGHT WHAT HE INDICATED WAS THAT HE NOTICED WE HAD HAD SOME BOUNDARY LAYER ENERGIZERS COME OFF IN THE PAST BUT THAT THEY HAD BEEN REPLACED BECAUSE OF THE WORD 'WET' WRITTEN ON THE WING BESIDE THEM. APPARENTLY WHAT HE WAS INDICATING WAS THAT WE HAD ONE MISSING AT THAT TIME. IT WAS DIFFICULT TO CONVERSE OVER THE NOISE FROM THE ENG THAT WAS STILL RUNNING. WE COMPLETED THE RTE AND ON POST FLT INSPECTION DISCOVERED THAT IN FACT WE DID HAVE A BLE MISSING. WE HAD IT REPLACED BEFORE FURTHER FLT. IF WE HAD BEEN AWARE OF IT IN CLEVELAND WE WOULD HAVE CONTACTED OUR MAINT BEFORE PROCEEDING FURTHER. IN THE FUTURE IF THE FAA WANTS TO DO AN INSPECTION AND WE HAVE THE TIME, I THINK WE SHOULD JUST SHUT EVERYTHING DOWN AND TAKE THE TIME TO DO THINGS CORRECTLY INSTEAD OF YELLING BACK AND FORTH ABOVE ENG NOISE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.