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Attributes | |
ACN | 1439430 |
Time | |
Date | 201704 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201-1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | SAN.Airport |
State Reference | CA |
Environment | |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | B737 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | Descent |
Route In Use | STAR COMIX1 |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Function | Captain Pilot Not Flying |
Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
Experience | Flight Crew Last 90 Days 127 |
Events | |
Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Deviation - Altitude Crossing Restriction Not Met Deviation - Altitude Undershoot Deviation - Procedural Clearance |
Narrative:
We were descending on the new comix 1 STAR. Center started us down late. We had a 70 knot tailwind and center directed us to fly 270 knots. All these reasons prevented us from making the crossing restriction we were given. We notified center we would not make it as soon as we determined that it was not possible; and the controller asked us why not. We told him. He questioned our reasons as if they were not valid; and then said nothing; thus producing the situation that we did not make an altitude restriction without having relief from ATC.the older bayvu arrival and the new comix arrival have crossing restrictions that are very hard to make with the airspeed and altitude requirements; especially with a tailwind. They should be revised to have more reasonable restrictions.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B737 Captain reported failing to comply with a crossing restriction on the new COMIX 1 STAR.
Narrative: We were descending on the new COMIX 1 STAR. Center started us down late. We had a 70 knot tailwind and Center directed us to fly 270 knots. All these reasons prevented us from making the crossing restriction we were given. We notified Center we would not make it as soon as we determined that it was not possible; and the Controller asked us why not. We told him. He questioned our reasons as if they were not valid; and then said nothing; thus producing the situation that we did not make an altitude restriction without having relief from ATC.The older BAYVU Arrival and the new COMIX Arrival have crossing restrictions that are very hard to make with the airspeed and altitude requirements; especially with a tailwind. They should be revised to have more reasonable restrictions.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.