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Attributes | |
ACN | 1445738 |
Time | |
Date | 201705 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201-1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | CYYZ.Airport |
State Reference | ON |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | BAe 125 Series 800 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 135 |
Flight Phase | Descent |
Route In Use | STAR NUBER2 |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Function | First Officer Pilot Flying |
Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
Events | |
Anomaly | Deviation - Altitude Excursion From Assigned Altitude Deviation - Procedural Clearance Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy |
Narrative:
From a cruising altitude of FL260; toronto center issued a clearance 'descend to FL240; descend via the NUBER2 arrival.' we immediately started down to FL240; and continued our descent via the arrival procedure. Passing through FL230; the controller asked what altitude we were going to. We explained we were descending via the arrival; to cross rokto between 14;000 and 12;000. The controller explained that the newly adopted 'descend via' phraseology in canada does not allow us to descend below a given altitude. After multiple inquiries; we were finally able to understand that the intention of the clearance is to descend to the given altitude and comply with the arrival restrictions. He said there has been a lot of confusion in the first week of these new clearances; and didn't seem concerned.the 'descend via' clearance is used differently in the united states and canada; so crews should be sure to verify with canadian controllers what is expected of them. Unlike the united states; a descend via clearance in canada does not allow a descent all the way to the lowest altitude; but the specific assigned altitude.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: Hawker 800 First Officer reported an altitude deviation occurred that arose from the difference in 'descend via' clearances between Canada and the United States.
Narrative: From a cruising altitude of FL260; Toronto Center issued a clearance 'Descend to FL240; descend via the NUBER2 arrival.' We immediately started down to FL240; and continued our descent via the arrival procedure. Passing through FL230; the Controller asked what altitude we were going to. We explained we were descending via the arrival; to cross ROKTO between 14;000 and 12;000. The Controller explained that the newly adopted 'descend via' phraseology in Canada does not allow us to descend below a given altitude. After multiple inquiries; we were finally able to understand that the intention of the clearance is to descend to the given altitude and comply with the arrival restrictions. He said there has been a lot of confusion in the first week of these new clearances; and didn't seem concerned.The 'descend via' clearance is used differently in the United States and Canada; so crews should be sure to verify with Canadian controllers what is expected of them. Unlike the United States; a descend via clearance in Canada does not allow a descent all the way to the lowest altitude; but the specific assigned altitude.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.