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Attributes | |
ACN | 1457058 |
Time | |
Date | 201705 |
Local Time Of Day | 1801-2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | MUFH.ARTCC |
State Reference | FO |
Environment | |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | B737 Next Generation Undifferentiated |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | Cruise |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | A380 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 129 |
Flight Phase | Cruise |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Function | Captain Pilot Not Flying |
Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
Experience | Flight Crew Last 90 Days 120 Flight Crew Type 18000 |
Events | |
Anomaly | Inflight Event / Encounter Wake Vortex Encounter |
Narrative:
Having just finished reading an article about a wake turbulence accident; I felt the need to raise a safety concern regarding 'super' aircraft. An accident involving an airbus 380 and a bombardier challenger 604 caused me to rethink our wake turbulence encounter and [I] felt the need for it to be reported.just as in the accident/incident; we were separated by 1000 ft in approximately 10 to 15 miles separation. The accident scenario was more of a head on flight where ours was crossing the wake of the A380 at approximately a 70 degree angle. The bump we encountered was nothing more than moderate chop for less than one second. Upon initial contact with havana center; we were held down below our planned cruise altitude. Later the controller pointed out an aircraft as they were approximately 80 miles away 1000 ft above us. We were intending to climb above that altitude and the first officer and I mentioned to each other that at that distance we certainly had room to climb now. Visual contact was made on the airbus approximately 2 o'clock and 20 miles away. As we crossed their wake; they were around our 10 o'clock position and 10 miles. Up until that point; winds were very light and the ride was extremely smooth. There was no wake turbulence encounter expected on our part with such a great distance between the two aircraft. I know without a doubt that hundreds of unreported wake turbulence encounters are experienced daily; mostly on departure with a minimum spacing between the aircraft ahead. I strongly feel that the wake produced by the A380 aircraft needs to be explored more and most likely different spacing requirements supplied. It is almost an impossibility with airspace constraints on arrival and departure to have a fixed plan for every scenario. At least during cruise; more spacing is likely necessary. We are all [aware that] the most severe wake turbulence is at slow speed; high lift configurations. I also believe we have all encountered slight wake turbulence encounters crossing the wake from an aircraft above us; but as the challenger accident shows; loss of aircraft can occur; thus more research is necessary.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B737 Captain reported encountering wake turbulence at FL350 from an A380 10 miles away and 1;000 ft above them.
Narrative: Having just finished reading an article about a wake turbulence accident; I felt the need to raise a safety concern regarding 'Super' aircraft. An accident involving an Airbus 380 and a Bombardier Challenger 604 caused me to rethink our wake turbulence encounter and [I] felt the need for it to be reported.Just as in the accident/incident; we were separated by 1000 ft in approximately 10 to 15 miles separation. The accident scenario was more of a head on flight where ours was crossing the wake of the A380 at approximately a 70 degree angle. The bump we encountered was nothing more than moderate chop for less than one second. Upon initial contact with Havana Center; we were held down below our planned cruise altitude. Later the Controller pointed out an aircraft as they were approximately 80 miles away 1000 ft above us. We were intending to climb above that altitude and the FO and I mentioned to each other that at that distance we certainly had room to climb now. Visual contact was made on the Airbus approximately 2 o'clock and 20 miles away. As we crossed their wake; they were around our 10 o'clock position and 10 miles. Up until that point; winds were very light and the ride was extremely smooth. There was no wake turbulence encounter expected on our part with such a great distance between the two aircraft. I know without a doubt that hundreds of unreported wake turbulence encounters are experienced daily; mostly on departure with a minimum spacing between the aircraft ahead. I strongly feel that the wake produced by the A380 aircraft needs to be explored more and most likely different spacing requirements supplied. It is almost an impossibility with airspace constraints on arrival and departure to have a fixed plan for every scenario. At least during cruise; more spacing is likely necessary. We are all [aware that] the most severe wake turbulence is at slow speed; high lift configurations. I also believe we have all encountered slight wake turbulence encounters crossing the wake from an aircraft above us; but as the Challenger accident shows; loss of aircraft can occur; thus more research is necessary.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.