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After landing and taking the #42 high speed taxiway, captain of widebody transport overshot the runway 25R hold line. Too close to runway. Tower aborted a heavy taking off, cleared widebody transport on high speed across the runway.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 146968 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199005 |
| Day | Wed |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : lax |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Night |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Widebody, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
| Flight Phase | ground : holding ground other : taxi landing other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp pilot : commercial |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 17000 flight time type : 400 |
| ASRS Report | 146968 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer pilot : commercial |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 60 flight time total : 2000 |
| ASRS Report | 146970 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : ground less severe |
| Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
| Situations | |
| Airport | other physical facility |
Narrative:
I was the captain of a widebody transport landing at lax at night. We landed on runway 25L the copilot made the landing. At 80 KTS I took the aircraft, we were approaching the last high speed turn off #42. I heard the tower instruct us to hold short of runway 25R. We turned off the runway and proceeded towards runway 25R. I did not see any hold line and stopped short of the 25R runway lights (set on low). I instructed the copilot to get clearance to cross runway 25R. The tower operator asked if we were at the hold line. We answered we could not see it and that we were holding short of the runway. At that time the tower operator stated we were on the runway. We were not on the runway. The runway edge lights were well forward of our position. I then heard the tower cancel a heavy's takeoff. The heavy jet slowed and turned off about 2000' from our position. The next day I made it a point to look for the hold line on runway 42S and short of runway 25R. The inner portion of the hold line was about 60 percent or 70 percent missing only the outer east and west portions of the hold line were clearly visible. This error could have been avoided if the hold line was well marked and considering the short distance between the runways, I think a well lighted hold point is appropriate.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AFTER LNDG AND TAKING THE #42 HIGH SPEED TXWY, CAPT OF WDB OVERSHOT THE RWY 25R HOLD LINE. TOO CLOSE TO RWY. TWR ABORTED A HVY TAKING OFF, CLRED WDB ON HIGH SPEED ACROSS THE RWY.
Narrative: I WAS THE CAPT OF A WDB LNDG AT LAX AT NIGHT. WE LANDED ON RWY 25L THE COPLT MADE THE LNDG. AT 80 KTS I TOOK THE ACFT, WE WERE APCHING THE LAST HIGH SPD TURN OFF #42. I HEARD THE TWR INSTRUCT US TO HOLD SHORT OF RWY 25R. WE TURNED OFF THE RWY AND PROCEEDED TOWARDS RWY 25R. I DID NOT SEE ANY HOLD LINE AND STOPPED SHORT OF THE 25R RWY LIGHTS (SET ON LOW). I INSTRUCTED THE COPLT TO GET CLRNC TO CROSS RWY 25R. THE TWR OPERATOR ASKED IF WE WERE AT THE HOLD LINE. WE ANSWERED WE COULD NOT SEE IT AND THAT WE WERE HOLDING SHORT OF THE RWY. AT THAT TIME THE TWR OPERATOR STATED WE WERE ON THE RWY. WE WERE NOT ON THE RWY. THE RWY EDGE LIGHTS WERE WELL FORWARD OF OUR POS. I THEN HEARD THE TWR CANCEL A HEAVY'S TKOF. THE HVY JET SLOWED AND TURNED OFF ABOUT 2000' FROM OUR POS. THE NEXT DAY I MADE IT A POINT TO LOOK FOR THE HOLD LINE ON RWY 42S AND SHORT OF RWY 25R. THE INNER PORTION OF THE HOLD LINE WAS ABOUT 60 PERCENT OR 70 PERCENT MISSING ONLY THE OUTER E AND W PORTIONS OF THE HOLD LINE WERE CLRLY VISIBLE. THIS ERROR COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED IF THE HOLD LINE WAS WELL MARKED AND CONSIDERING THE SHORT DISTANCE BTWN THE RWYS, I THINK A WELL LIGHTED HOLD POINT IS APPROPRIATE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.