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Attributes | |
ACN | 1476381 |
Time | |
Date | 201708 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201-1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | ZNY.ARTCC |
State Reference | NY |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Marginal |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | B777 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 129 |
Flight Phase | Cruise |
Route In Use | Airway L456 |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | A321 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | Cruise |
Route In Use | Direct |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Function | Enroute Oceanic |
Qualification | Air Traffic Control Fully Certified |
Experience | Air Traffic Control Time Certified In Pos 1 (yrs) 2.75 |
Events | |
Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy |
Narrative:
Sector 81 called to coordinate aircraft X with myself at sector 89. Coordination was probed and accepted without conflict for aircraft X at FL360. [Five minutes later] a red conflict began flashing between aircraft Y at 36;000 feet northbound on the airway and aircraft X. I called sector 81 to re-coordinate aircraft X at a different altitude. When I initially probed the aircraft at 36;000 feet; the probe in the coordination window for aircraft X still showed no conflicts despite the data blocks flashing red conflict and a conflict window. Despite the coordination window showing no conflict; I re-coordinated aircraft X at 37;000 feet.sector 81 called with an altitude revision for aircraft X. The aircraft was requesting 38;000 feet so I opened the coordination window; probed the aircraft at 38;000 feet which probed with no conflict so the aircraft was accepted at 38;000 feet. Sector 81 called for aircraft X requesting direct to either gratx or lfano due to weather. Because the aircraft was approaching the boundary; I assumed the aircraft to probe the change in profiled route. Upon assuming the aircraft; a conflict appeared between aircraft X and aircraft Z. Aircraft Z was flying northbound on the airway at 38;000 feet.the conflict window showed 9 minutes and 23 seconds on the cross with 15 minutes needed for required minimum separation. At that point; I told sector 81 the aircraft needs to descend or climb 1;000 feet. Sector 81 immediately descended the aircraft to 37;000 feet and I advised them that direct to lfano was approved. I completed updating the aircraft's profile and completed tasks and took a break. At some point before my break; I measured the two aircraft using the tool in advanced technologies and oceanic procedures (atop) and it showed 35 miles; however they were separated by 1;000 feet at that point and I don't know the closest point in mileage the aircraft got. A [report] is also being filed and the supervisor was notified.it appears as though there is an issue with atop in recognizing conflicts. This is a serious issue that needs to be remedied immediately. If this isn't a system issue and atop is working as designed; a briefing for all controllers needs to occur to explain what happened and how to avoid this.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ZNY Center Oceanic Controller reported they had less than required separation between two aircraft on crossing courses even though the ATOP tool did not identify a separation problem.
Narrative: Sector 81 called to coordinate Aircraft X with myself at sector 89. Coordination was probed and accepted without conflict for Aircraft X at FL360. [Five minutes later] a red conflict began flashing between Aircraft Y at 36;000 feet northbound on the airway and Aircraft X. I called sector 81 to re-coordinate Aircraft X at a different altitude. When I initially probed the aircraft at 36;000 feet; the probe in the coordination window for Aircraft X still showed no conflicts despite the data blocks flashing red conflict and a conflict window. Despite the coordination window showing no conflict; I re-coordinated Aircraft X at 37;000 feet.Sector 81 called with an altitude revision for Aircraft X. The aircraft was requesting 38;000 feet so I opened the coordination window; probed the aircraft at 38;000 feet which probed with no conflict so the aircraft was accepted at 38;000 feet. Sector 81 called for Aircraft X requesting direct to either GRATX or LFANO due to weather. Because the aircraft was approaching the boundary; I assumed the aircraft to probe the change in profiled route. Upon assuming the aircraft; a conflict appeared between Aircraft X and Aircraft Z. Aircraft Z was flying northbound on the airway at 38;000 feet.The conflict window showed 9 minutes and 23 seconds on the cross with 15 minutes needed for required minimum separation. At that point; I told sector 81 the aircraft needs to descend or climb 1;000 feet. Sector 81 immediately descended the aircraft to 37;000 feet and I advised them that direct to LFANO was approved. I completed updating the aircraft's profile and completed tasks and took a break. At some point before my break; I measured the two aircraft using the tool in Advanced Technologies and Oceanic Procedures (ATOP) and it showed 35 miles; however they were separated by 1;000 feet at that point and I don't know the closest point in mileage the aircraft got. A [report] is also being filed and the supervisor was notified.It appears as though there is an issue with ATOP in recognizing conflicts. This is a serious issue that needs to be remedied immediately. If this isn't a system issue and ATOP is working as designed; a briefing for all controllers needs to occur to explain what happened and how to avoid this.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.