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Attributes | |
ACN | 1476700 |
Time | |
Date | 201708 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201-1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | PHL.Airport |
State Reference | PA |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | Medium Transport Low Wing 2 Turbojet Eng |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | Descent |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Medium Transport |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Function | Captain Pilot Flying |
Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
Experience | Flight Crew Last 90 Days 190 Flight Crew Total 4930 Flight Crew Type 285 |
Events | |
Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Conflict Airborne Conflict |
Narrative:
We were being vectored onto a visual approach for runway 35 at 3000 ft in VMC conditions. We were never assigned a speed; so I was flying at 240 knots until we were about 3 miles from crossing over the final approach course for runway 35. The first officer (first officer) and I had noted that the controller working approach was 'behind the curve;' sounding frazzled and rushed over the radio. He had not given us any new instructions for several minutes; and we were about to cross the final approach course; so we asked to make sure he wanted us to go through the course. He responded with a heading that'd put us on a nice course towards the runway's final approach. However; we soon noticed that our TCAS was showing us less than 6 miles from a plane at about the 1 o'clock position; so we asked about it. We were told to turn right to a heading of 090 'now'; which would point us towards the airplane for a time during our turn. I went ahead and complied; but asked about turning left; away from the aircraft. They stuck with their initial instruction; so I kept turning in heading mode with the autopilot. Soon; the first officer visually spotted the plane and it was on a collision course with us. When I saw it a couple of seconds later; I turned off the autopilot; banked to 45 degrees in the right turn; started a slow climb; and chopped the power to make the turn tighter. We never got an RA; but we did receive the 'traffic; traffic' caution from the TCAS. The cause was probably a lack of experience from the ATC controller; putting him behind the aircraft he was controlling. I questioned ATC; turned off automation; and took corrective action to avoid getting closer to the conflicting aircraft.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: Air Carrier First Officer attributed a traffic conflict on approach to PHL to apparent controller inexperience.
Narrative: We were being vectored onto a visual approach for Runway 35 at 3000 ft in VMC conditions. We were never assigned a speed; so I was flying at 240 knots until we were about 3 miles from crossing over the final approach course for Runway 35. The FO (First Officer) and I had noted that the Controller working Approach was 'behind the curve;' sounding frazzled and rushed over the radio. He had not given us any new instructions for several minutes; and we were about to cross the final approach course; so we asked to make sure he wanted us to go through the course. He responded with a heading that'd put us on a nice course towards the runway's final approach. However; we soon noticed that our TCAS was showing us less than 6 miles from a plane at about the 1 o'clock position; so we asked about it. We were told to turn right to a heading of 090 'now'; which would point us towards the airplane for a time during our turn. I went ahead and complied; but asked about turning left; away from the aircraft. They stuck with their initial instruction; so I kept turning in HDG mode with the autopilot. Soon; the FO visually spotted the plane and it was on a collision course with us. When I saw it a couple of seconds later; I turned off the autopilot; banked to 45 degrees in the right turn; started a slow climb; and chopped the power to make the turn tighter. We never got an RA; but we did receive the 'TRAFFIC; TRAFFIC' caution from the TCAS. The cause was probably a lack of experience from the ATC controller; putting him behind the aircraft he was controlling. I questioned ATC; turned off automation; and took corrective action to avoid getting closer to the conflicting aircraft.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.