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Attributes | |
ACN | 1487429 |
Time | |
Date | 201710 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201-1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | ZZZ.Airport |
State Reference | US |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | Cessna Citation Mustang (C510) |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | Initial Climb |
Route In Use | Vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Function | Single Pilot |
Qualification | Flight Crew Private Flight Crew Multiengine Flight Crew Instrument |
Experience | Flight Crew Last 90 Days 60 Flight Crew Total 695 Flight Crew Type 52 |
Events | |
Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Conflict Airborne Conflict |
Miss Distance | Horizontal 5000 Vertical 0 |
Narrative:
I was climbing after takeoff VFR. I had filed an IFR flight plan direct at 13000. Radar services are unavailable under 3000 ft and I obtained contact with center in the climb at approximately 4100. ATC instructed me to maintain 3500; due to traffic on approach. I began descending to 3500; when TCAS showed me a target at 5 miles; 12 o'clock and 4000. ATC advised me of the traffic as well; and I while I could hear ATC clear the oncoming traffic for the visual approach; I could not hear the oncoming traffic because I was on a different frequency. Both frequencies were operated by the same controller; who later switched me to the other frequency. He began descending on the straight in approach; converging with me (he was on a 160 heading and I was on a 340 heading; he was at 4000 descending and I was descending as well to 3500). TCAS counted down +5; +4; +3; +2 and I called ATC stating that I did not have the traffic in sight and it appeared to be converging. She misunderstood and thought I had the traffic in sight. When +1 became 0 almost a mile from me and the TCAS advisory called out and went yellow; I disconnected the autopilot; and banked hard right to avoid the traffic because I still did not have it in sight. ATC called back and said the traffic was no factor off my left side at 1 mile; and didn't appear concerned. Keep in mind; I'm traveling at 4 miles a minute; or one mile every 15 seconds. I felt this was too close.after landing I looked up both our tracks on flightaware; and it didn't appear either of us were in radar coverage at 3500. I am concerned that ATC had me descend into oncoming traffic rather than continue my climb where I would have been safely away from the traffic. What is a best practice at an uncontrolled airport that has poor radar coverage under 3000 ft and there is not an operative ground communication outlet to pick up a clearance in clear VFR conditions? Should I level off at 5000 (the MOA overlying ZZZ begins at 6000); then call ATC to prevent something like this from happening? The use of two frequencies in the area is also concerning because I could not know if the landing traffic had me in sight. I need to know what to do to prevent this from happening in the future.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: Cessna 510 pilot reported an airborne conflict on departure.
Narrative: I was climbing after takeoff VFR. I had filed an IFR flight plan direct at 13000. Radar services are unavailable under 3000 ft and I obtained contact with Center in the climb at approximately 4100. ATC instructed me to maintain 3500; due to traffic on approach. I began descending to 3500; when TCAS showed me a target at 5 miles; 12 o'clock and 4000. ATC advised me of the traffic as well; and I while I could hear ATC clear the oncoming traffic for the visual approach; I could not hear the oncoming traffic because I was on a different frequency. Both frequencies were operated by the same controller; who later switched me to the other frequency. He began descending on the straight in approach; converging with me (he was on a 160 heading and I was on a 340 heading; he was at 4000 descending and I was descending as well to 3500). TCAS counted down +5; +4; +3; +2 and I called ATC stating that I did not have the traffic in sight and it appeared to be converging. She misunderstood and thought I had the traffic in sight. When +1 became 0 almost a mile from me and the TCAS advisory called out and went yellow; I disconnected the autopilot; and banked hard right to avoid the traffic because I still did not have it in sight. ATC called back and said the traffic was no factor off my left side at 1 mile; and didn't appear concerned. Keep in mind; I'm traveling at 4 miles a minute; or one mile every 15 seconds. I felt this was too close.After landing I looked up both our tracks on flightaware; and it didn't appear either of us were in radar coverage at 3500. I am concerned that ATC had me descend into oncoming traffic rather than continue my climb where I would have been safely away from the traffic. What is a best practice at an uncontrolled airport that has poor radar coverage under 3000 ft and there is not an operative ground communication outlet to pick up a clearance in clear VFR conditions? Should I level off at 5000 (the MOA overlying ZZZ begins at 6000); then call ATC to prevent something like this from happening? The use of two frequencies in the area is also concerning because I could not know if the landing traffic had me in sight. I need to know what to do to prevent this from happening in the future.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.