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Attributes | |
ACN | 148954 |
Time | |
Date | 199006 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : pit |
State Reference | PA |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : hnl |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | landing other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Flight Phase | landing : missed approach landing other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
ASRS Report | 148954 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
On final into pit, the approach controller slowed us to 190 KTS on final. Upon contacting the tower at the marker, we were cleared to land. While we were still about a mi, to a mi and 1/2 out at about 800', the tower cleared an aircraft behind us to land. After T/D, I was using moderate braking to try and make the first high-speed turnoff. The tower asked if we could make that exit. We said yes, and I had to turn slightly more than 90 degree to make the exit. When I did, I looked down the final and saw an aircraft at about 150 to 200' up. The tower told him to go around. I had the power up and was clearing the runway. The aircraft on final said that we were clear and saw no reason to miss. The tower again told him to go around. He complied and stated that they needed glasses up on the tower since he could see that we were clear. The tower asked us to call them when we got to the gate. I could not figure out why. When I did reach them on the phone, they were upset that I had made more than a 90 degree turn to clear the runway and asked why I did not know there was a plane so close behind me. We can keep up with the traffic in a general fashion from listening to the radio chatter, but do not specifically know where anyone is. We listen for certain hints that the sep is minimal. Those hints are being asked your speed, telling the following aircraft to expect landing clearance on short final, or advising minimum time on the runway. If we do not hear any of that then we expect normal sep on final. In my opinion (and the opinion of the ATC instructor on mu jumpseat) the controller did not communication with us very well.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACFT WAS ISSUED A MISSED APCH DUE TO PRECEDING ACFT ON THE RWY.
Narrative: ON FINAL INTO PIT, THE APCH CTLR SLOWED US TO 190 KTS ON FINAL. UPON CONTACTING THE TWR AT THE MARKER, WE WERE CLRED TO LAND. WHILE WE WERE STILL ABOUT A MI, TO A MI AND 1/2 OUT AT ABOUT 800', THE TWR CLRED AN ACFT BEHIND US TO LAND. AFTER T/D, I WAS USING MODERATE BRAKING TO TRY AND MAKE THE FIRST HIGH-SPD TURNOFF. THE TWR ASKED IF WE COULD MAKE THAT EXIT. WE SAID YES, AND I HAD TO TURN SLIGHTLY MORE THAN 90 DEG TO MAKE THE EXIT. WHEN I DID, I LOOKED DOWN THE FINAL AND SAW AN ACFT AT ABOUT 150 TO 200' UP. THE TWR TOLD HIM TO GO AROUND. I HAD THE PWR UP AND WAS CLRING THE RWY. THE ACFT ON FINAL SAID THAT WE WERE CLR AND SAW NO REASON TO MISS. THE TWR AGAIN TOLD HIM TO GO AROUND. HE COMPLIED AND STATED THAT THEY NEEDED GLASSES UP ON THE TWR SINCE HE COULD SEE THAT WE WERE CLR. THE TWR ASKED US TO CALL THEM WHEN WE GOT TO THE GATE. I COULD NOT FIGURE OUT WHY. WHEN I DID REACH THEM ON THE PHONE, THEY WERE UPSET THAT I HAD MADE MORE THAN A 90 DEG TURN TO CLR THE RWY AND ASKED WHY I DID NOT KNOW THERE WAS A PLANE SO CLOSE BEHIND ME. WE CAN KEEP UP WITH THE TFC IN A GENERAL FASHION FROM LISTENING TO THE RADIO CHATTER, BUT DO NOT SPECIFICALLY KNOW WHERE ANYONE IS. WE LISTEN FOR CERTAIN HINTS THAT THE SEP IS MINIMAL. THOSE HINTS ARE BEING ASKED YOUR SPD, TELLING THE FOLLOWING ACFT TO EXPECT LNDG CLRNC ON SHORT FINAL, OR ADVISING MINIMUM TIME ON THE RWY. IF WE DO NOT HEAR ANY OF THAT THEN WE EXPECT NORMAL SEP ON FINAL. IN MY OPINION (AND THE OPINION OF THE ATC INSTRUCTOR ON MU JUMPSEAT) THE CTLR DID NOT COM WITH US VERY WELL.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.