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Attributes | |
ACN | 150859 |
Time | |
Date | 199007 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lax |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 1000 msl bound upper : 5000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : lax tower : lax |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | landing : missed approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff |
Route In Use | departure other enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 14000 flight time type : 100 |
ASRS Report | 150859 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 1400 |
ASRS Report | 151325 |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : published procedure non adherence : required legal separation |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 6000 vertical : 300 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
Approaching lax on runway 24/25 profile descent, heading 070 degree runway assignment was changed from runway 24R to runway 24L to runway 25L to runway 25R during last part of downwind and during base leg. Turn in was required by approach 1 1/2 mi inside the LOM requiring steep descent to runway. Then medium large transport was cleared for takeoff while we were 1 mi out on final. This plus excessive descent rate caused us to go around. The go around then created a conflict with the departing medium large transport. We were instructed to track out runway 25L, then take up climb on a 250 degree heading. This pointed us directly at the medium large transport who had now started a left turn to 220 degree. No level off instructions were given until we were approaching 1800', trying to maintain visibility sep on the medium large transport. We were then instructed to level off at 2000', but the rate of climb prevented a safe level off until approximately 2300'. We were then told to turn left to 210 degree. Once again creating a collision course with the medium large transport. We turned to 180 degree to provide sep and then back to 210 degree. We were cleared to 5000' and held at that altitude even after repeated requests for lower until on base leg 1 mi from the marker. Once again an extremely steep final approach was required to effect G/south capture approximately 1 mi from end of runway.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACFT HAD TO EXECUTE A MISSED APCH DUE TO ACFT DEPARTING RWY TOO CLOSE TO THE ARRIVAL.
Narrative: APCHING LAX ON RWY 24/25 PROFILE DSNT, HDG 070 DEG RWY ASSIGNMENT WAS CHANGED FROM RWY 24R TO RWY 24L TO RWY 25L TO RWY 25R DURING LAST PART OF DOWNWIND AND DURING BASE LEG. TURN IN WAS REQUIRED BY APCH 1 1/2 MI INSIDE THE LOM REQUIRING STEEP DSCNT TO RWY. THEN MLG WAS CLRED FOR TKOF WHILE WE WERE 1 MI OUT ON FINAL. THIS PLUS EXCESSIVE DSNT RATE CAUSED US TO GO AROUND. THE GO AROUND THEN CREATED A CONFLICT WITH THE DEPARTING MLG. WE WERE INSTRUCTED TO TRACK OUT RWY 25L, THEN TAKE UP CLB ON A 250 DEG HDG. THIS POINTED US DIRECTLY AT THE MLG WHO HAD NOW STARTED A L TURN TO 220 DEG. NO LEVEL OFF INSTRUCTIONS WERE GIVEN UNTIL WE WERE APCHING 1800', TRYING TO MAINTAIN VIS SEP ON THE MLG. WE WERE THEN INSTRUCTED TO LEVEL OFF AT 2000', BUT THE RATE OF CLB PREVENTED A SAFE LEVEL OFF UNTIL APPROX 2300'. WE WERE THEN TOLD TO TURN L TO 210 DEG. ONCE AGAIN CREATING A COLLISION COURSE WITH THE MLG. WE TURNED TO 180 DEG TO PROVIDE SEP AND THEN BACK TO 210 DEG. WE WERE CLRED TO 5000' AND HELD AT THAT ALT EVEN AFTER REPEATED REQUESTS FOR LOWER UNTIL ON BASE LEG 1 MI FROM THE MARKER. ONCE AGAIN AN EXTREMELY STEEP FINAL APCH WAS REQUIRED TO EFFECT G/S CAPTURE APPROX 1 MI FROM END OF RWY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.