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Attributes | |
ACN | 1523436 |
Time | |
Date | 201803 |
Local Time Of Day | 1801-2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | HNL.Airport |
State Reference | HI |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | MD-11 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | Climb |
Route In Use | Vectors SID MOLOKAI FOUR |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Person 1 | |
Function | Captain Pilot Not Flying |
Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
Events | |
Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Conflict Airborne Conflict Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy |
Narrative:
We were on vectors off the Molokai4 departure and climbing through about 7;000 ft MSL and about 4;000 FPM climb rate; cleared to 16;000 ft; when we received a TCAS yellow alert about 11 O'clock and 5 miles. We immediately saw the aircraft and it seemed to be descending and coming at us; but still about 2;000 ft above us. The pilot flying; lowered the nose and reduced our climb rate to approximately 1;000 FPM. It looked like it would pass to our left side; so we kept our eyes on it and it eventually passed about 1;500 ft above us and about a mile and a half to our left. I asked hcf what happened and why it was so close especially considering that we were cleared to 16;000 ft. He stated something or other to the effect that we had good separation and that maybe I didn't understand how this all works apparently based on my concern that we were cleared to 16;000 ft. I replied that maybe I don't understand; but it would have been a lot closer had we not reduced our climb speed. He made no further comment. When the other aircraft was handed off; he told the controller that he had to change his climb speed also. The controller did not acknowledge his comment or concern.as best as I can tell; both aircraft were on vectors; I know we were. I'm not sure how ATC determines how much clearance is enough on vectors; but I think this was a bit too close. It would have been real concerning had we been IMC.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: MD-11 Captain reported a TCAS TA during climbout.
Narrative: We were on vectors off the Molokai4 departure and climbing through about 7;000 ft MSL and about 4;000 FPM climb rate; cleared to 16;000 ft; when we received a TCAS yellow alert about 11 O'clock and 5 miles. We immediately saw the aircraft and it seemed to be descending and coming at us; but still about 2;000 ft above us. The pilot flying; lowered the nose and reduced our climb rate to approximately 1;000 FPM. It looked like it would pass to our left side; so we kept our eyes on it and it eventually passed about 1;500 ft above us and about a mile and a half to our left. I asked HCF what happened and why it was so close especially considering that we were cleared to 16;000 ft. He stated something or other to the effect that we had good separation and that maybe I didn't understand how this all works apparently based on my concern that we were cleared to 16;000 ft. I replied that maybe I don't understand; but it would have been a lot closer had we not reduced our climb speed. He made no further comment. When the other aircraft was handed off; he told the controller that he had to change his climb speed also. The controller did not acknowledge his comment or concern.As best as I can tell; both aircraft were on vectors; I know we were. I'm not sure how ATC determines how much clearance is enough on vectors; but I think this was a bit too close. It would have been real concerning had we been IMC.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.