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Flight crew of medium large transport approaching yul assumed they were to proceed from franx to the VOR. Controller corrected--directed them to airport on franx 3 arrival.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 153477 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199008 |
| Day | Thu |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : yul |
| State Reference | FO |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 11000 msl bound upper : 11000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : yul |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Route In Use | arrival other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 4500 flight time type : 1500 |
| ASRS Report | 153477 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other spatial deviation |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | other |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Our IFR filed routing from syr to yul was syr art art 040 degrees J594 mss V203 franx yul. After reaching franx intersection, because no further clearance had been given, we proceeded direct to yul VOR. Approximately 20 mi southwest of yul VOR montreal arrival (frequency 125.15) asked us where we were going. We told him we were proceeding as filed to the yul VOR. They said our clearance was franx direct yul airport (the VOR and airport are not collocated). They then said we should have been given the franx 3 arrival (we weren't). They also said this happens all the time and it causes problems. Well, if it happens all the time, then someone should fix it. Only thing we might have done is questioned our clearance after franx, but we had no reason to.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLT CREW OF MLG APCHING YUL ASSUMED THEY WERE TO PROCEED FROM FRANX TO THE VOR. CTLR CORRECTED--DIRECTED THEM TO ARPT ON FRANX 3 ARR.
Narrative: OUR IFR FILED RTING FROM SYR TO YUL WAS SYR ART ART 040 DEGS J594 MSS V203 FRANX YUL. AFTER REACHING FRANX INTXN, BECAUSE NO FURTHER CLRNC HAD BEEN GIVEN, WE PROCEEDED DIRECT TO YUL VOR. APPROX 20 MI SW OF YUL VOR MONTREAL ARR (FREQ 125.15) ASKED US WHERE WE WERE GOING. WE TOLD HIM WE WERE PROCEEDING AS FILED TO THE YUL VOR. THEY SAID OUR CLRNC WAS FRANX DIRECT YUL ARPT (THE VOR AND ARPT ARE NOT COLLOCATED). THEY THEN SAID WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN GIVEN THE FRANX 3 ARR (WE WEREN'T). THEY ALSO SAID THIS HAPPENS ALL THE TIME AND IT CAUSES PROBS. WELL, IF IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME, THEN SOMEONE SHOULD FIX IT. ONLY THING WE MIGHT HAVE DONE IS QUESTIONED OUR CLRNC AFTER FRANX, BUT WE HAD NO REASON TO.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.