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Attributes | |
ACN | 1577346 |
Time | |
Date | 201809 |
Local Time Of Day | 0601-1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | BTL.Airport |
State Reference | MI |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | Gulfstream II (G1159) |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | Initial Approach |
Route In Use | Vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Function | Pilot Not Flying Captain |
Qualification | Flight Crew Instrument Flight Crew Flight Instructor Flight Crew Multiengine |
Experience | Flight Crew Last 90 Days 50 Flight Crew Total 13000 Flight Crew Type 50 |
Events | |
Anomaly | Deviation - Altitude Overshoot Deviation - Procedural Clearance Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy Deviation - Track / Heading All Types Inflight Event / Encounter Unstabilized Approach |
Narrative:
This was a ferry flight so [I] was using it as training for my low time copilot who was flying from the left seat. He was doing very well as we were vectored in for the ILS 23R at battle creek btl. I let him make the mistake of waiting too long to slow [the] approach speed. Lansing waited to give us a heading to intercept the localizer until we had crossed it and gave us a bad intercept heading to boot. Of course; this was probably our fault since we were still doing 250kts. The controller asked us if we could continue and I let the copilot make the decision to do so; knowing we'd go missed and come back in for the RNAV 5L. Just after we were asked to switch over to tower; a bunch of things happened at the same time at the perfect moment.1. I accidentally punched in the wrong frequency for tower; and being new to the aircraft myself; once I realized it; I pushed the wrong button and lost lansing's frequency. Now I had to look down to retrieve and re-enter tower or approach.2. We executed the missed; and of course after 3 calls to the tower; I realize we're on the wrong frequency and had to look down.3. Because of the bad vector; when the pilot flying hit the go around button; the FMS didn't auto sequence so he was kind of lost. I was still looking down to get the frequency and he got off track and altitude climbing instinctively as you would do in a missed and he climbed through the set altitude of 3;000 feet. I caught it at 3;800 [feet].from there I checked in with lansing; gave my copilot a couple quick tips and an altitude and heading call out and everything was fine. There was maybe a minute where we weren't tracking properly; not talking to anyone; and climbing through the missed approach altitude!my unfamiliarity with a new aircraft type caught me off guard with something as simple as a frequency change at just the right moment. Maybe equipment could be better standardized? I should have made sure I was better prepped. I knew I was a little confused with the audio panel.I could have taught my copilot a better lesson by not accepting the approach since we were so poorly set up. Although; I did want to come back for the RNAV 5L; so at the moment; it seemed fine. I could have asked him to slow down; or asked for a better vector; and certainly would have if it weren't a ferry flight. I think he learned a ton from the event; as did I. ATC apologized for the late and poor vector; but I don't think it was on him at all. I think he may have been taken off guard by our speed. Maybe ATC shouldn't offer the approach at some point because a weaker crew may have continued the bad approach with a descent and a really bad outcome. We accepted the approach but it was my intent to make my copilot go missed anyway and we never even descended; so it worked out well until I screwed up the radios.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: Gulfstream G200 Captain reported while giving instruction; a culmination of events resulted in an altitude overshoot and incorrect routing.
Narrative: This was a ferry flight so [I] was using it as training for my low time copilot who was flying from the left seat. He was doing very well as we were vectored in for the ILS 23R at Battle Creek BTL. I let him make the mistake of waiting too long to slow [the] approach speed. Lansing waited to give us a heading to intercept the LOC until we had crossed it AND gave us a bad intercept heading to boot. Of course; this was probably our fault since we were still doing 250kts. The Controller asked us if we could continue and I let the copilot make the decision to do so; knowing we'd go missed and come back in for the RNAV 5L. Just after we were asked to switch over to Tower; a bunch of things happened at the same time at the perfect moment.1. I accidentally punched in the wrong frequency for Tower; and being new to the aircraft myself; once I realized it; I pushed the wrong button and lost Lansing's frequency. Now I had to look down to retrieve and re-enter Tower or Approach.2. We executed the missed; and of course after 3 calls to the Tower; I realize we're on the wrong frequency and had to look down.3. Because of the bad vector; when the Pilot Flying hit the go around button; the FMS didn't auto sequence so he was kind of lost. I was still looking down to get the frequency and he got off track and altitude climbing instinctively as you would do in a missed and he climbed through the set altitude of 3;000 feet. I caught it at 3;800 [feet].From there I checked in with Lansing; gave my copilot a couple quick tips and an altitude and heading call out and everything was fine. There was maybe a minute where we weren't tracking properly; not talking to anyone; AND climbing through the missed approach altitude!My unfamiliarity with a new aircraft type caught me off guard with something as simple as a frequency change at just the right moment. Maybe equipment could be better standardized? I should have made sure I was better prepped. I knew I was a little confused with the audio panel.I could have taught my copilot a better lesson by not accepting the approach since we were so poorly set up. Although; I did want to come back for the RNAV 5L; so at the moment; it seemed fine. I could have asked him to slow down; or asked for a better vector; and certainly would have if it weren't a ferry flight. I think he learned a ton from the event; as did I. ATC apologized for the late and poor vector; but I don't think it was on him at all. I think he may have been taken off guard by our speed. Maybe ATC shouldn't offer the approach at some point because a weaker crew may have continued the bad approach with a descent and a really bad outcome. We accepted the approach but it was my intent to make my copilot go missed anyway and we never even descended; so it worked out well until I screwed up the radios.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.