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Attributes | |
ACN | 1586559 |
Time | |
Date | 201810 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201-1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | ZJX.ARTCC |
State Reference | FL |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | McDonnell Douglas Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | Takeoff |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | Takeoff |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Function | Enroute |
Qualification | Air Traffic Control Fully Certified |
Experience | Air Traffic Control Time Certified In Pos 1 (yrs) 9 |
Events | |
Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Airspace Violation All Types Deviation - Procedural Clearance |
Narrative:
Post hurricane working tyndall approaches airspace. No radar. Multiple radio failures and alternate frequencies. D side training. Tower called for release of aircraft X and a subsequent aircraft Y. There was an attempt to release them utilizing the 45 degree rule and 2 minutes or tower applied visual. Ozr approach at this time was handing off two more arrivals from the north; southbound descending below radar coverage direct the airport with no coordination. There are also no useable navaids within the airspace. No coordination was affected with ozr approach prior to aircraft X's release. I couldn't climb aircraft X into radar coverage as planned. D sides tried to coordinate with ozr approach but they said they didn't have time and I was advised to keep aircraft X out of their airspace. I had to turn the aircraft south. Soon after he appeared on radar well into ozr airspace without coordination. There is almost zero training for non-radar procedures. And real world scenarios are quite unlike laboratory scenarios because of the blending of adsb and radar and non-radar. Also; there is a pervasive attitude that we should just keep pushing the aircraft like business was normal. Ozr approach has no letter of agreement regarding that airspace. At some point they seemed surprised that the sector was non-radar. I would recommend comprehensive training utilizing more real world scenarios (navaids missing or out of service; some aircraft adsb; some not) also; the attitude all around needs to change in these scenarios. Non radar with no useable navaids is not going to be efficient.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: Jacksonville Center Controller reported an airspace violation due to a busy TRACON and lack of non-radar procedures.
Narrative: Post hurricane working Tyndall Approaches airspace. No radar. Multiple radio failures and alternate frequencies. D side training. Tower called for release of Aircraft X and a subsequent Aircraft Y. There was an attempt to release them utilizing the 45 degree rule and 2 minutes or Tower applied visual. OZR Approach at this time was handing off two more arrivals from the north; southbound descending below radar coverage direct the airport with no coordination. There are also no useable navaids within the airspace. No coordination was affected with OZR approach prior to Aircraft X's release. I couldn't climb Aircraft X into radar coverage as planned. D sides tried to coordinate with OZR approach but they said they didn't have time and I was advised to keep Aircraft X out of their airspace. I had to turn the aircraft south. Soon after he appeared on radar well into OZR airspace without coordination. There is almost zero training for non-radar procedures. And real world scenarios are quite unlike laboratory scenarios because of the blending of ADSB and radar and non-radar. Also; there is a pervasive attitude that we should just keep pushing the aircraft like business was normal. OZR Approach has no letter of agreement regarding that airspace. At some point they seemed surprised that the sector was non-radar. I would recommend comprehensive training utilizing more real world scenarios (navaids missing or out of service; some aircraft ADSB; some not) also; the attitude all around needs to change in these scenarios. Non radar with no useable navaids is not going to be efficient.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.