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A319 captain reported being vectored twice too close to following traffic and landing on the second attempt.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 1587065 |
| Time | |
| Date | 201810 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | CYYZ.Airport |
| State Reference | ON |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Make Model Name | A319 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | Final Approach |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Make Model Name | Dash 8 Series Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | Landing |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Function | Captain |
| Qualification | Flight Crew Multiengine Flight Crew Instrument Flight Crew Commercial Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
| Experience | Flight Crew Total 866 Flight Crew Type 866 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Conflict Airborne Conflict Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy Inflight Event / Encounter Fuel Issue |
Narrative:
We were being vectored to [runway] 24R in toronto. The approach controller was being very aggressive; and he turned us onto final 2.5 miles behind a dash-8. At final approach speed; we had 40 kts of overtake. When we switched over to tower; we had 2 miles on the aircraft in front of us; and unsurprisingly; tower sent us around. We had been dispatched with little fuel for flexibility; so I immediately declared minimum fuel.unfortunately; we were vectored back around by the same approach controller; and he did the same thing to us again. This time; it was 3 miles following a challenger jet. We landed out of that one; but I think it was only because the challenger had a higher approach speed; plus the extra mile.this practice is dangerous; and that controller was too aggressive. How could any controller think that his set up was going to work? Just plain ridiculous. It was a set-up for failure.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A319 Captain reported being vectored twice too close to following traffic and landing on the second attempt.
Narrative: We were being vectored to [Runway] 24R in Toronto. The Approach Controller was being very aggressive; and he turned us onto final 2.5 miles behind a Dash-8. At final approach speed; we had 40 kts of overtake. When we switched over to Tower; we had 2 miles on the aircraft in front of us; and unsurprisingly; Tower sent us around. We had been dispatched with little fuel for flexibility; so I immediately declared minimum fuel.Unfortunately; we were vectored back around by the same Approach Controller; and he did the same thing to us again. This time; it was 3 miles following a Challenger Jet. We landed out of that one; but I think it was only because the Challenger had a higher approach speed; plus the extra mile.This practice is dangerous; and that controller was too aggressive. How could any controller think that his set up was going to work? Just plain ridiculous. It was a set-up for failure.
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