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Air carrier medium large transport requested a full ILS into ord while visual approachs were in progress. Approach controller advised the flight crew to plan on proceeding to their alternate then relented and vectored the aircraft for the approach. Flight crew says excessive vectoring was used.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 159694 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199010 |
| Day | Tue |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : ord |
| State Reference | IL |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Dusk |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : ord |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Navigation In Use | Other |
| Flight Phase | cruise other descent other |
| Route In Use | approach : visual enroute : on vectors |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 4500 flight time type : 1200 |
| ASRS Report | 159694 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
| Situations | |
| ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
The captain instructed me, when contacting ord approach control, to request the full ILS runway 27L ord. (Visibility approachs were in progress.) the approach controller denied the request and stated, 'plan to go to your alternate.' through exchanges of requests we were granted the approach requested ILS runway 27L ord. The results were extensive vectors, rebuking and threats by ATC. This type of attitude is wrong and does not fall under the controller's responsibility. On contact with approach control the captain's request was for an ILS approach, the request should have been granted west/O conflict. Problem: ATC is becoming underequipped, understaffed and overworked. Results: conflicts.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR MLG REQUESTED A FULL ILS INTO ORD WHILE VISUAL APCHS WERE IN PROGRESS. APCH CTLR ADVISED THE FLT CREW TO PLAN ON PROCEEDING TO THEIR ALTERNATE THEN RELENTED AND VECTORED THE ACFT FOR THE APCH. FLT CREW SAYS EXCESSIVE VECTORING WAS USED.
Narrative: THE CAPT INSTRUCTED ME, WHEN CONTACTING ORD APCH CTL, TO REQUEST THE FULL ILS RWY 27L ORD. (VIS APCHS WERE IN PROGRESS.) THE APCH CTLR DENIED THE REQUEST AND STATED, 'PLAN TO GO TO YOUR ALTERNATE.' THROUGH EXCHANGES OF REQUESTS WE WERE GRANTED THE APCH REQUESTED ILS RWY 27L ORD. THE RESULTS WERE EXTENSIVE VECTORS, REBUKING AND THREATS BY ATC. THIS TYPE OF ATTITUDE IS WRONG AND DOES NOT FALL UNDER THE CTLR'S RESPONSIBILITY. ON CONTACT WITH APCH CTL THE CAPT'S REQUEST WAS FOR AN ILS APCH, THE REQUEST SHOULD HAVE BEEN GRANTED W/O CONFLICT. PROB: ATC IS BECOMING UNDEREQUIPPED, UNDERSTAFFED AND OVERWORKED. RESULTS: CONFLICTS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.