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Attributes | |
ACN | 1633966 |
Time | |
Date | 201804 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201-1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | ACINS |
State Reference | CA |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | Small Aircraft Low Wing 1 Eng Fixed Gear |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | Cruise |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Cessna Single Piston Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | Cruise |
Person 1 | |
Function | Pilot Not Flying |
Qualification | Flight Crew Instrument Flight Crew Private |
Experience | Flight Crew Last 90 Days 57 Flight Crew Total 143 Flight Crew Type 44 |
Events | |
Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Conflict NMAC |
Miss Distance | Horizontal 100 Vertical 300 |
Narrative:
Reporter is an instrument rated private pilot; acting as a safety pilot on a simulated instrument cross-country flight; with the owner of the aircraft acting as sole manipulator.flight was conducted under VFR in VMC with no adverse weather. Flight was on a discrete squawk code and in contact with ATC at all times (socal approach at the time of the event).during cruise; while not receiving radar vectors; [we] entered a practice hold at acins intersection; holding west along V388; right turns; maintaining 8;500 MSL; and making a direct entry into the hold as the approach was from the west. [We] crossed the fix; completed a 180 degree turn to the right; and was established on the outbound leg when both pilots noticed a target on the moving map (target was tis-B/ads-B) approaching head-on indicating +01 (100 feet above) and 3 miles away. Safety pilot spotted the approaching aircraft roughly 200 feet above and 1 mile directly ahead of [us]; and instructed the pilot flying to descend. Socal approach notified the other aircraft; a cessna of unknown type; of [us] with the instruction 'if not in sight; descend 500 feet immediately.' safety pilot took the flight controls and executed a steep descending right turn to avoid the descending cessna.it was not clear from the cockpit or during debrief why the approach controller instructed the cessna; which was observed to be higher than [us]; to descend; which caused far greater risk to both aircraft. Both aircraft would have been substantially safer if either or both were instructed to alter course to the right; as is standard for collision avoidance.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: GA pilot reported NMAC during a practice instrument hold without radar services.
Narrative: Reporter is an instrument rated private pilot; acting as a safety pilot on a simulated instrument cross-country flight; with the owner of the aircraft acting as sole manipulator.Flight was conducted under VFR in VMC with no adverse weather. Flight was on a discrete squawk code and in contact with ATC at all times (SoCal Approach at the time of the event).During cruise; while not receiving radar vectors; [we] entered a practice hold at ACINS intersection; holding west along V388; right turns; maintaining 8;500 MSL; and making a direct entry into the hold as the approach was from the west. [We] crossed the fix; completed a 180 degree turn to the right; and was established on the outbound leg when both pilots noticed a target on the moving map (target was TIS-B/ADS-B) approaching head-on indicating +01 (100 feet above) and 3 miles away. Safety pilot spotted the approaching aircraft roughly 200 feet above and 1 mile directly ahead of [us]; and instructed the pilot flying to descend. SoCal Approach notified the other aircraft; a Cessna of unknown type; of [us] with the instruction 'if not in sight; descend 500 feet immediately.' Safety pilot took the flight controls and executed a steep descending right turn to avoid the descending Cessna.It was not clear from the cockpit or during debrief why the Approach controller instructed the Cessna; which was observed to be higher than [us]; to descend; which caused far greater risk to both aircraft. Both aircraft would have been substantially safer if either or both were instructed to alter course to the right; as is standard for collision avoidance.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.