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Small aircraft pilot alleges that ATC forces non turbojet aircraft to low altitudes over avp to teb area.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 163567 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199011 |
| Day | Thu |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : avp |
| State Reference | PA |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 5000 msl bound upper : 18000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | Mixed |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90 |
| Operator | general aviation : personal |
| Make Model Name | Small Aircraft, High Wing, 1 Eng, Retractable Gear |
| Flight Phase | descent other |
| Route In Use | enroute : direct |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | flight crew : single pilot |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 50 flight time total : 2000 flight time type : 700 |
| ASRS Report | 163567 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : approach |
| Qualification | controller : radar |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : unable |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
| Situations | |
| ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
ATC rtes inbound IFR traffic from the west and northwest direct wilkes-barre, allentown, broadway then direct to teb or vectors for the approach. This sawtooth pattern is required despite published approach (wilkes-barre 3 arrival). The dangerous part is the required low altitude. ATC requires 5000' MSL usually about 20 west of avp, then even lower once past allentown. This requires about 80 mi of flight over rough terrain at relatively low altitude. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information. Reporter had not flown this route since submitting report, but had 3 trips via avp to teb in short time prior to report. On all 3 occasions he says ATC took him to the very low altitude at avp in spite of fact that he has pressurized aircraft. He does not like being that low over terrain. Had reported situation to AOPA, but had not heard anymore from them. Says that ATC wants to get the slower aircraft down out of the way so that the turbojets can proceed with less restrictions.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: SMA PLT ALLEGES THAT ATC FORCES NON TURBOJET ACFT TO LOW ALTS OVER AVP TO TEB AREA.
Narrative: ATC RTES INBND IFR TFC FROM THE W AND NW DIRECT WILKES-BARRE, ALLENTOWN, BROADWAY THEN DIRECT TO TEB OR VECTORS FOR THE APCH. THIS SAWTOOTH PATTERN IS REQUIRED DESPITE PUBLISHED APCH (WILKES-BARRE 3 ARR). THE DANGEROUS PART IS THE REQUIRED LOW ALT. ATC REQUIRES 5000' MSL USUALLY ABOUT 20 W OF AVP, THEN EVEN LOWER ONCE PAST ALLENTOWN. THIS REQUIRES ABOUT 80 MI OF FLT OVER ROUGH TERRAIN AT RELATIVELY LOW ALT. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO. RPTR HAD NOT FLOWN THIS RTE SINCE SUBMITTING RPT, BUT HAD 3 TRIPS VIA AVP TO TEB IN SHORT TIME PRIOR TO RPT. ON ALL 3 OCCASIONS HE SAYS ATC TOOK HIM TO THE VERY LOW ALT AT AVP IN SPITE OF FACT THAT HE HAS PRESSURIZED ACFT. HE DOES NOT LIKE BEING THAT LOW OVER TERRAIN. HAD RPTED SITUATION TO AOPA, BUT HAD NOT HEARD ANYMORE FROM THEM. SAYS THAT ATC WANTS TO GET THE SLOWER ACFT DOWN OUT OF THE WAY SO THAT THE TURBOJETS CAN PROCEED WITH LESS RESTRICTIONS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.