Training flight penetrated arsa.

Attributes
ACN	163616
Time
Date	199011
Day	Wed
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	atc facility : fnt airport : ptk
State Reference	MI
Altitude	msl bound lower : 4500 msl bound upper : 4500
Environment
Flight Conditions	Marginal
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : fnt
Operator	general aviation : instructional
Make Model Name	Small Aircraft, Low Wing, 2 Eng, Retractable Gear
Flight Phase	cruise other
Route In Use	enroute : direct
Flight Plan	None
Person 1
Affiliation	Other
Function	instruction : instructor
Qualification	pilot : cfi pilot : commercial pilot : instrument
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 850 flight time type : 30
ASRS Report	163616
Person 2
Affiliation	Other
Function	instruction : trainee
Qualification	pilot : private
Events
Anomaly	inflight encounter : weather other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course flight crew : exited penetrated airspace
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

A VFR multi engine introductory ride to engine out procedures, slow flight, stall recognition (both approach and departure). There was a strong southerly wind causing the aircraft to drift north during a training session. With low visibility and not having radios set up to identify the arsa its possible the aircraft touched the southwest corner of the flint, mi, arsa. The discovery came when we proceeded to ptk, our base of operation. We set ptk VOR for identification of location and found we were way further northwest than usual. With an immediate turn to 180 degree we descended out of 4500' to 2800' MSL. I felt that we were not near the arsa. An instrument in back said I penetrated fnt arsa. I should have immediately used LORAN to check distance or the DME on board but keeping busy flying aircraft with student on descent marginal VFR rain, VFR student I failed to use DME for precise location identification. Corrective action. No multi-engine altitude work marginal conditions low visibility. Also use all navigation equipment on board to help keep track of location. Most of all spend more time on pilotage, landmarks, etc, during training to prevent recurrence.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: TRAINING FLT PENETRATED ARSA.

Narrative: A VFR MULTI ENG INTRODUCTORY RIDE TO ENG OUT PROCS, SLOW FLT, STALL RECOGNITION (BOTH APCH AND DEP). THERE WAS A STRONG SOUTHERLY WIND CAUSING THE ACFT TO DRIFT N DURING A TRNING SESSION. WITH LOW VISIBILITY AND NOT HAVING RADIOS SET UP TO IDENT THE ARSA ITS POSSIBLE THE ACFT TOUCHED THE SW CORNER OF THE FLINT, MI, ARSA. THE DISCOVERY CAME WHEN WE PROCEEDED TO PTK, OUR BASE OF OPERATION. WE SET PTK VOR FOR IDENTIFICATION OF LOCATION AND FOUND WE WERE WAY FURTHER NW THAN USUAL. WITH AN IMMEDIATE TURN TO 180 DEG WE DSNDED OUT OF 4500' TO 2800' MSL. I FELT THAT WE WERE NOT NEAR THE ARSA. AN INSTR IN BACK SAID I PENETRATED FNT ARSA. I SHOULD HAVE IMMEDIATELY USED LORAN TO CHK DISTANCE OR THE DME ON BOARD BUT KEEPING BUSY FLYING ACFT WITH STUDENT ON DSNT MARGINAL VFR RAIN, VFR STUDENT I FAILED TO USE DME FOR PRECISE LOCATION IDENTIFICATION. CORRECTIVE ACTION. NO MULTI-ENG ALT WORK MARGINAL CONDITIONS LOW VISIBILITY. ALSO USE ALL NAV EQUIP ON BOARD TO HELP KEEP TRACK OF LOCATION. MOST OF ALL SPEND MORE TIME ON PILOTAGE, LANDMARKS, ETC, DURING TRNING TO PREVENT RECURRENCE.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.