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Attributes | |
ACN | 168502 |
Time | |
Date | 199101 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : fll airport : nsb |
State Reference | FO |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Small Transport |
Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff ground : preflight |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 270 flight time total : 3000 flight time type : 1500 |
ASRS Report | 168520 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 70 flight time total : 22125 flight time type : 70 |
ASRS Report | 168503 |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : critical non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Copilot flying aircraft on short final (15'), a boat pulled out from right. I took control of aircraft and evasive action was taken to avoid collision. Power was reduced and a short landing accomplished. Nothing unusual about landing. No impact felt. On rollout noticed left wing float was damaged. Taxied up to ramp with no problems with float floating wing. Deplaned passenger and inspected damage. Damage appeared to be caused by floating debris in water. Called operations to put in call for maintenance and get director of operations phone #. Called the direction of operations and explained what happened. He acknowledged the fact that as a seaplane, we encounter some hazards as floating debris and moving obstacles. He then informed me we had no ferry permission and that if the aircraft was moved, it would have to be positioned and to call maintenance and work it out. This is where I got a bit confused as to positioning aircraft and ferrying aircraft. I called maintenance, which is contract maintenance, and explained situation. Mechanic said it was my decision to make. I told him I would be positioning aircraft back with no passenger based on my inspection of aircraft. I did not deliberately violate the far's, it was because of my confusing position flight and ferry flight and rules that apply to each that I elected to fly the aircraft home. There was no damage or bodily injury as a result of the position flight and no bodily damage as a result of the landing. I think to prevent this from happening in the future, more training should be spent on ferry flight procedures. Have the procedures removed from the operations manual if we are going to be approved to use them. To have our contract maintenance call someone on our maintenance management team and discuss it with them.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: PIC OF AN ACR SMT ELECTED TO FERRY A DAMAGED ACFT TO A MAINTENANCE BASE WITHOUT A FERRY PERMIT. SAYS HE THOUGHT CALLING IT A POSITIONING FLT RELIEVED THE NEED FOR A FERRY PERMIT.
Narrative: COPLT FLYING ACFT ON SHORT FINAL (15'), A BOAT PULLED OUT FROM RIGHT. I TOOK CTL OF ACFT AND EVASIVE ACTION WAS TAKEN TO AVOID COLLISION. PWR WAS REDUCED AND A SHORT LNDG ACCOMPLISHED. NOTHING UNUSUAL ABOUT LNDG. NO IMPACT FELT. ON ROLLOUT NOTICED LEFT WING FLOAT WAS DAMAGED. TAXIED UP TO RAMP WITH NO PROBS WITH FLOAT FLOATING WING. DEPLANED PAX AND INSPECTED DAMAGE. DAMAGE APPEARED TO BE CAUSED BY FLOATING DEBRIS IN WATER. CALLED OPS TO PUT IN CALL FOR MAINT AND GET DIRECTOR OF OPS PHONE #. CALLED THE DIRECTION OF OPS AND EXPLAINED WHAT HAPPENED. HE ACKNOWLEDGED THE FACT THAT AS A SEAPLANE, WE ENCOUNTER SOME HAZARDS AS FLOATING DEBRIS AND MOVING OBSTACLES. HE THEN INFORMED ME WE HAD NO FERRY PERMISSION AND THAT IF THE ACFT WAS MOVED, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE POSITIONED AND TO CALL MAINT AND WORK IT OUT. THIS IS WHERE I GOT A BIT CONFUSED AS TO POSITIONING ACFT AND FERRYING ACFT. I CALLED MAINT, WHICH IS CONTRACT MAINT, AND EXPLAINED SITUATION. MECH SAID IT WAS MY DECISION TO MAKE. I TOLD HIM I WOULD BE POSITIONING ACFT BACK WITH NO PAX BASED ON MY INSPECTION OF ACFT. I DID NOT DELIBERATELY VIOLATE THE FAR'S, IT WAS BECAUSE OF MY CONFUSING POS FLT AND FERRY FLT AND RULES THAT APPLY TO EACH THAT I ELECTED TO FLY THE ACFT HOME. THERE WAS NO DAMAGE OR BODILY INJURY AS A RESULT OF THE POS FLT AND NO BODILY DAMAGE AS A RESULT OF THE LNDG. I THINK TO PREVENT THIS FROM HAPPENING IN THE FUTURE, MORE TRNING SHOULD BE SPENT ON FERRY FLT PROCS. HAVE THE PROCS REMOVED FROM THE OPS MANUAL IF WE ARE GOING TO BE APPROVED TO USE THEM. TO HAVE OUR CONTRACT MAINT CALL SOMEONE ON OUR MAINT MGMNT TEAM AND DISCUSS IT WITH THEM.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.