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Attributes | |
ACN | 169702 |
Time | |
Date | 199102 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : atl |
State Reference | GA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 3000 msl bound upper : 3000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : atl |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff climbout : initial |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Light Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng |
Flight Phase | climbout : initial climbout : takeoff |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 178 flight time total : 11700 |
ASRS Report | 169701 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 7800 |
ASRS Report | 169532 |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure non adherence : required legal separation other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : unable |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We were operating airlines flight from atl to bna. During the preflight inspection, the 3 light marker beacon was tested and operated normally. We took off on runway 08R. Another aircraft departed from 09L at about the same time. Our clearance was to turn left (I believe the heading was 060 degrees) at the MM. Immediately after gear retraction the TCAS ii system gave a traffic warning, followed by an alert and a command to climb at 2500 FPM. At the time we were climbing at 2000 FPM. The rate was increased to 2500 FPM and the alert ended. The aircraft is equipped with 2 3-LIGHT marking beacon indicators. Neither of them indicated the MM at atl. As soon as the traffic alert ended the aircraft was turned to the departure heading. We were informed that we had been side to side with the departing light transport. Upon landing at bna, neither MM light illuminated. The TCAS ii system is very distracting when used in a busy air traffic area. It absolutely demands immediate attention because it is so loud. As it now stands, I believe it to be a hazard when used in such an environment. We know where the MM should be, and even though the marker beacon lights were inoperative, we would have initiated the turn earlier had the TCAS ii alert not sounded. The noise level of the TCAS ii system makes pilot to controller and crew member to crew member communication impossible. Supplemental information from acn 169532: I feel the TCAS ii system is a hazard in high density traffic areas and can only hinder operations, especially in a 2-M cockpit.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: HEADING TRACK DEVIATION ON DEP PROC.
Narrative: WE WERE OPERATING AIRLINES FLT FROM ATL TO BNA. DURING THE PREFLT INSPECTION, THE 3 LIGHT MARKER BEACON WAS TESTED AND OPERATED NORMALLY. WE TOOK OFF ON RWY 08R. ANOTHER ACFT DEPARTED FROM 09L AT ABOUT THE SAME TIME. OUR CLRNC WAS TO TURN LEFT (I BELIEVE THE HDG WAS 060 DEGS) AT THE MM. IMMEDIATELY AFTER GEAR RETRACTION THE TCAS II SYS GAVE A TFC WARNING, FOLLOWED BY AN ALERT AND A COMMAND TO CLB AT 2500 FPM. AT THE TIME WE WERE CLBING AT 2000 FPM. THE RATE WAS INCREASED TO 2500 FPM AND THE ALERT ENDED. THE ACFT IS EQUIPPED WITH 2 3-LIGHT MARKING BEACON INDICATORS. NEITHER OF THEM INDICATED THE MM AT ATL. AS SOON AS THE TFC ALERT ENDED THE ACFT WAS TURNED TO THE DEP HDG. WE WERE INFORMED THAT WE HAD BEEN SIDE TO SIDE WITH THE DEPARTING LTT. UPON LNDG AT BNA, NEITHER MM LIGHT ILLUMINATED. THE TCAS II SYS IS VERY DISTRACTING WHEN USED IN A BUSY ATA. IT ABSOLUTELY DEMANDS IMMEDIATE ATTN BECAUSE IT IS SO LOUD. AS IT NOW STANDS, I BELIEVE IT TO BE A HAZARD WHEN USED IN SUCH AN ENVIRONMENT. WE KNOW WHERE THE MM SHOULD BE, AND EVEN THOUGH THE MARKER BEACON LIGHTS WERE INOP, WE WOULD HAVE INITIATED THE TURN EARLIER HAD THE TCAS II ALERT NOT SOUNDED. THE NOISE LEVEL OF THE TCAS II SYS MAKES PLT TO CTLR AND CREW MEMBER TO CREW MEMBER COM IMPOSSIBLE. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 169532: I FEEL THE TCAS II SYS IS A HAZARD IN HIGH DENSITY TFC AREAS AND CAN ONLY HINDER OPS, ESPECIALLY IN A 2-M COCKPIT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.