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Attributes | |
ACN | 1712249 |
Time | |
Date | 201912 |
Local Time Of Day | 0601-1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | DSM.Tower |
State Reference | IA |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | PA-28 Cherokee/Archer/Dakota/Pillan/Warrior |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | Initial Climb |
Route In Use | Visual Approach None |
Flight Plan | None |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | PA-28 Cherokee/Archer/Dakota/Pillan/Warrior |
Flight Phase | Cruise |
Person 1 | |
Function | Instructor Pilot Not Flying |
Qualification | Flight Crew Commercial Flight Crew Flight Instructor Flight Crew Instrument |
Experience | Flight Crew Last 90 Days 75 Flight Crew Total 3000 Flight Crew Type 500 |
Events | |
Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Conflict Airborne Conflict Deviation - Procedural Clearance |
Miss Distance | Horizontal .75 Vertical 0 |
Narrative:
This was a training flight. We had been instructed to 'make left hand pattern runway 13'. This was our second pattern and were climbing straight ahead on a southeast; runaway heading. Another cherokee behind us on runway 13 changed his plans; aborted his approach; and was instructed to turn direct to ikv; which is a left turn. It appears he turned more to the east rather than northeast.we were told turn crosswind; which we did (to the left); to approximately 050. But; because we had been told to make left hand pattern; we turned downwind (approximately 310) putting us on a collision course with the other cherokee. I saw the cherokee just before the traffic collision avoidance system announced 'traffic ahead; less than a mile.' I took over and started sharp climbing turn to the right. At the same time; tower advised; 'traffic; twelve o'clock; less than a mile.' I then announced I had the traffic in sight. Tower said maintain visual separation. Tower then directed the cherokee to turn to ikv; now more north; northeast. After a moment; I asked if we could turn downwind and tower approved. I believe the confusion started because we had been told to 'make left traffic.' tower did not say they would call when to turn downwind; as the might for a base turn to avoid traffic on final. So; I assumed we could turn at our discretion. In retrospect; I should have inferred that because tower said to turn crosswind; that we could only turn crosswind. I might have done a better job of envisioning where the other cherokee; who seemed to be struggling; would be and possibly on a collision course.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: PA-28 instructor pilot reported confusion with the tower controllers instructions resulting in an airborne conflict.
Narrative: This was a training flight. We had been instructed to 'make left hand pattern Runway 13'. This was our second pattern and were climbing straight ahead on a southeast; runaway heading. Another Cherokee behind us on Runway 13 changed his plans; aborted his approach; and was instructed to turn direct to IKV; which is a left turn. It appears he turned more to the East rather than northeast.We were told turn crosswind; which we did (to the left); to approximately 050. But; because we had been told to make left hand pattern; we turned downwind (approximately 310) putting us on a collision course with the other Cherokee. I saw the Cherokee just before the traffic collision avoidance system announced 'traffic ahead; less than a mile.' I took over and started sharp climbing turn to the right. At the same time; Tower advised; 'traffic; twelve o'clock; less than a mile.' I then announced I had the traffic in sight. Tower said maintain visual separation. Tower then directed the Cherokee to turn to IKV; now more north; northeast. After a moment; I asked if we could turn downwind and Tower approved. I believe the confusion started because we had been told to 'make left traffic.' Tower did not say they would call when to turn downwind; as the might for a base turn to avoid traffic on final. So; I assumed we could turn at our discretion. In retrospect; I should have inferred that because Tower said to turn crosswind; that we could only turn crosswind. I might have done a better job of envisioning where the other Cherokee; who seemed to be struggling; would be and possibly on a collision course.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.