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Attributes | |
ACN | 566444 |
Time | |
Date | 200211 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : cnw.airport |
State Reference | TX |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Cessna 152 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | ground : taxi ground : maintenance |
Flight Plan | None |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : cnw.tower |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Flight Phase | ground : taxi |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | instruction : instructor |
Qualification | pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 50 flight time total : 350 flight time type : 200 |
ASRS Report | 566444 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | instruction : trainee |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : ground less severe ground encounters other incursion : runway non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Airport ATC Human Performance FAA |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Situations | |
Airport | design : cnw.airport markings : cnw.airport procedure or policy : cnw.airport |
Narrative:
A student and I were doing takeoffs and lndgs in the pattern. On downwind, we were told we were #3 to land and we reported we had traffic in sight and followed the #2 aircraft in and landed. The #2 aircraft was still on the opposite end of the runway taxiing off so we held on the approach end for him to clear the runway. The controller then asked our aircraft how we read his transmission. It was a little garbled, but understandable. He then told us he had given us directions to go around to let the other aircraft clear the runway. Neither my student nor I had heard that directive. I assume he was either stepped on by another transmission (as there were many aircraft inbound and landing), our radio never picked it up, or we both just did not hear his request. Whatever the circumstance, I would have liked for the order to have been repeated since we did not acknowledge that we received it. This situation will probably be repeated due to the unusual new rules implemented by cnw tower and the fact that it is a high traffic training airport for both GA students and military training. The problem is that due to these new requests, landing aircraft must taxi about 2/3 of the way down the runway (runway 35L) before there is a place to exit clear of the runway, so the #2 aircraft will have to be told to go around while #1 aircraft is taxiing down the long runway. No taxi is permitted south of the fence line depicted without a clearance to enter the runway. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter reports the runway hold line, the entire length of runway 17R/35L next to the ramp, to the west of the runway was moved further away. This did not leave enough room to taxi off the runway or to taxi to the painted, marked taxiway. In essence, the taxiway west of runway 17R/35L became unusable. Because of continuing problems the hold line has been returned to its original position and the problem is no longer present.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: C152 INSTRUCTOR AND STUDENT WERE ACCUSED OF IGNORING THE ATCT LCL CTLR'S INSTRUCTIONS TO EXECUTE A GAR.
Narrative: A STUDENT AND I WERE DOING TKOFS AND LNDGS IN THE PATTERN. ON DOWNWIND, WE WERE TOLD WE WERE #3 TO LAND AND WE RPTED WE HAD TFC IN SIGHT AND FOLLOWED THE #2 ACFT IN AND LANDED. THE #2 ACFT WAS STILL ON THE OPPOSITE END OF THE RWY TAXIING OFF SO WE HELD ON THE APCH END FOR HIM TO CLR THE RWY. THE CTLR THEN ASKED OUR ACFT HOW WE READ HIS XMISSION. IT WAS A LITTLE GARBLED, BUT UNDERSTANDABLE. HE THEN TOLD US HE HAD GIVEN US DIRECTIONS TO GO AROUND TO LET THE OTHER ACFT CLR THE RWY. NEITHER MY STUDENT NOR I HAD HEARD THAT DIRECTIVE. I ASSUME HE WAS EITHER STEPPED ON BY ANOTHER XMISSION (AS THERE WERE MANY ACFT INBOUND AND LNDG), OUR RADIO NEVER PICKED IT UP, OR WE BOTH JUST DID NOT HEAR HIS REQUEST. WHATEVER THE CIRCUMSTANCE, I WOULD HAVE LIKED FOR THE ORDER TO HAVE BEEN REPEATED SINCE WE DID NOT ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE RECEIVED IT. THIS SIT WILL PROBABLY BE REPEATED DUE TO THE UNUSUAL NEW RULES IMPLEMENTED BY CNW TWR AND THE FACT THAT IT IS A HIGH TFC TRAINING ARPT FOR BOTH GA STUDENTS AND MIL TRAINING. THE PROB IS THAT DUE TO THESE NEW REQUESTS, LNDG ACFT MUST TAXI ABOUT 2/3 OF THE WAY DOWN THE RWY (RWY 35L) BEFORE THERE IS A PLACE TO EXIT CLR OF THE RWY, SO THE #2 ACFT WILL HAVE TO BE TOLD TO GO AROUND WHILE #1 ACFT IS TAXIING DOWN THE LONG RWY. NO TAXI IS PERMITTED S OF THE FENCE LINE DEPICTED WITHOUT A CLRNC TO ENTER THE RWY. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR RPTS THE RWY HOLD LINE, THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF RWY 17R/35L NEXT TO THE RAMP, TO THE W OF THE RWY WAS MOVED FURTHER AWAY. THIS DID NOT LEAVE ENOUGH ROOM TO TAXI OFF THE RWY OR TO TAXI TO THE PAINTED, MARKED TXWY. IN ESSENCE, THE TXWY W OF RWY 17R/35L BECAME UNUSABLE. BECAUSE OF CONTINUING PROBS THE HOLD LINE HAS BEEN RETURNED TO ITS ORIGINAL POSITION AND THE PROB IS NO LONGER PRESENT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.