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Tncf center descended air carrier X in ZSU center airspace without proper ARTCC ARTCC interfacility coordination. Operational deviation.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 172451 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199103 |
| Day | Thu |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : psf |
| State Reference | FO |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 28000 msl bound upper : 31000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Night |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : tncf tower : dca |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Widebody, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | descent other |
| Route In Use | enroute : other oceanic |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 20000 flight time type : 1500 |
| ASRS Report | 172451 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 1800 |
| ASRS Report | 172356 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Operational Deviation Inter Facility Coordination Failure |
Narrative:
Air carrier X checked in with curacao control approximately 40 north scapa intersection (latin america hi/lo #8). Ride was bumpy requested descent to FL280, descended. Curacao thought we were in his airspace when we checked in he misunderstood us. We were cleared to FL280 in sju airspace. Supplemental information from acn 172356. 40 mi north of scapa intersection san juan center changed us over to curacao center. Captain asked for scapa direct aruba. Controller said standby. Captain asked for FL280 due chop. Controller cleared us to FL280. After we reported scapa at FL280, controller asked us if we had descended to FL280 in san juan airspace. Problem could have been caused by change over to curacao center. When captain reported as if in radar but curacao had no radar. He did not give estimate for scapa intersection. Controller may have thought we were past scapa.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: TNCF CENTER DESCENDED ACR X IN ZSU CENTER AIRSPACE WITHOUT PROPER ARTCC ARTCC INTERFAC COORD. OPDEV.
Narrative: ACR X CHKED IN WITH CURACAO CTL APPROX 40 N SCAPA INTXN (LATIN AMERICA HI/LO #8). RIDE WAS BUMPY REQUESTED DSNT TO FL280, DSNDED. CURACAO THOUGHT WE WERE IN HIS AIRSPACE WHEN WE CHKED IN HE MISUNDERSTOOD US. WE WERE CLRED TO FL280 IN SJU AIRSPACE. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 172356. 40 MI N OF SCAPA INTXN SAN JUAN CTR CHANGED US OVER TO CURACAO CTR. CAPT ASKED FOR SCAPA DIRECT ARUBA. CTLR SAID STANDBY. CAPT ASKED FOR FL280 DUE CHOP. CTLR CLRED US TO FL280. AFTER WE RPTED SCAPA AT FL280, CTLR ASKED US IF WE HAD DSNDED TO FL280 IN SAN JUAN AIRSPACE. PROB COULD HAVE BEEN CAUSED BY CHANGE OVER TO CURACAO CTR. WHEN CAPT RPTED AS IF IN RADAR BUT CURACAO HAD NO RADAR. HE DID NOT GIVE ESTIMATE FOR SCAPA INTXN. CTLR MAY HAVE THOUGHT WE WERE PAST SCAPA.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.