37000 Feet | Browse and search NASA's Aviation Safety Reporting System |
|
Attributes | |
ACN | 1740101 |
Time | |
Date | 202004 |
Local Time Of Day | 0601-1200 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | Jet/Long Ranger/206 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | Cruise |
Flight Plan | None |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Cessna 400 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | Initial Approach |
Flight Plan | None |
Person 1 | |
Function | Single Pilot Pilot Flying |
Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) Flight Crew Flight Instructor Flight Crew Instrument Flight Crew Multiengine |
Experience | Flight Crew Last 90 Days 62 Flight Crew Total 6262 Flight Crew Type 1282 |
Events | |
Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Conflict NMAC Deviation - Procedural Clearance Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy Deviation - Track / Heading All Types |
Miss Distance | Horizontal 500 Vertical 500 |
Narrative:
Aircraft X departs ZZZ to move on station for orbits at cal state university (vpzzz). Aircraft X reports on station; as requested by tower and orbits at approximately 1;100 ft. To 1;300 ft. MSL.aircraft X hears a call from aircraft Y inbound to ZZZ and hears the tower instruct him/her (paraphrasing): 'enter a 4-mile right base.... There is a helicopter orbiting at cal-state at [altitude]'.there are various exchanges between tower; aircraft Y and aircraft X where tower reports position of aircraft Y to aircraft X and vice versa. On each of these call aircraft X reports 'looking...'.at one point tower calls aircraft X and reports that aircraft Y 'is one mile north'; aircraft X reports back 'looking' again. But aircraft Y reports 'traffic in sight [ I believe he/she actually said 'helicopter in sight''.upon rounding the orbit in a direction where I could see north; aircraft Y ends up coming visually through the bottom right chin bubble of the helicopter and we almost were directly over him by the time he was in line with the nose of the helicopter. Separation was about 500 ft. Per the pilot. Passenger in back who could have only seen the airplane out his left window; (flying in a direction away from aircraft X) says it was 300 ft.neither pilot of either aircraft took any evasive action - it was clear at least to me that we would not hit. But it was closer than expected. And aircraft Y was not where it was to be expected.based on tower's initial instruction (enter a 4-mile base); I was expecting aircraft Y to pass east of my position and then turn straight-in to the runways. In other words; passing me at a distance further away from the airport than I was. Instead; aircraft Y decided to 'cut the corner' at about 3 miles and make a 45 entry to final. Aircraft Y effectively tried to pass between me and the airport instead.I think it was poor judgement on the part of the aircraft Y pilot to turn in towards the runways at cal state; rather than continue until he/she was perpendicular to the runways before turning final. I believe that the intent from tower; right from the first call to aircraft Y was specifically designed to avoid exactly the situation that happened. I do not believe aircraft Y understood the implication of the initial call up from the tower (enter 4-mile right base.... There is a helicopter at cal state...)perhaps tower could have emphasized. 'Enter a 4-mile base to final and square the base; or pass east of the helicopter before turning final')upon analysis afterwards on the ground; aircraft Y landed at ZZZ at xa:24 on [date]. Aircraft X lifted ZZZ at xa:15 and landed at xa:36.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: Helicopter pilot reported that a misunderstanding between Tower and a fixed wing aircraft resulted in a NMAC.
Narrative: Aircraft X departs ZZZ to move on station for orbits at Cal State University (VPZZZ). Aircraft X reports on station; as requested by tower and orbits at approximately 1;100 ft. to 1;300 ft. MSL.Aircraft X hears a call from Aircraft Y inbound to ZZZ and hears the Tower instruct him/her (paraphrasing): 'Enter a 4-mile right base.... there is a helicopter orbiting at Cal-State at [altitude]'.There are various exchanges between Tower; Aircraft Y and Aircraft X where Tower reports position of Aircraft Y to Aircraft X and vice versa. On each of these call Aircraft X reports 'Looking...'.At one point Tower calls Aircraft X and reports that Aircraft Y 'is one mile north'; Aircraft X reports back 'Looking' again. But Aircraft Y reports 'traffic in sight [ I believe he/she actually said 'Helicopter in sight''.Upon rounding the orbit in a direction where I could see north; Aircraft Y ends up coming visually through the bottom right chin bubble of the helicopter and we almost were directly over him by the time he was in line with the nose of the helicopter. Separation was about 500 ft. per the pilot. Passenger in back who could have only seen the airplane out his left window; (flying in a direction away from Aircraft X) says it was 300 ft.Neither pilot of either aircraft took any evasive action - it was clear at least to me that we would not hit. But it was closer than expected. And Aircraft Y was not where it was to be expected.Based on Tower's initial instruction (enter a 4-mile base); I was expecting Aircraft Y to pass east of my position and then turn straight-in to the runways. In other words; passing me at a distance further away from the airport than I was. Instead; Aircraft Y decided to 'cut the corner' at about 3 miles and make a 45 entry to final. Aircraft Y effectively tried to pass between me and the airport instead.I think it was poor judgement on the part of the Aircraft Y pilot to turn in towards the runways at Cal State; rather than continue until he/she was perpendicular to the runways before turning final. I believe that the intent from Tower; right from the first call to Aircraft Y was specifically designed to avoid exactly the situation that happened. I do not believe Aircraft Y understood the implication of the initial call up from the tower (Enter 4-mile right base.... there is a helicopter at Cal State...)Perhaps Tower could have emphasized. 'Enter a 4-mile base to final and square the base; or pass east of the helicopter before turning final')Upon analysis afterwards on the ground; Aircraft Y landed at ZZZ at XA:24 on [date]. Aircraft X lifted ZZZ at XA:15 and landed at XA:36.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.