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Attributes | |
ACN | 175152 |
Time | |
Date | 199104 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : mkc airport : msp |
State Reference | MO |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 35000 msl bound upper : 35000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zkc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Widebody, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | other personnel |
Qualification | other |
ASRS Report | 175152 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : far non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Airport |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Crew requested change in routing after departure. The flight dispatcher had rted flight around 2 mountain wave. Crew was informed that the route he was requesting had no driftdown information and was too heavy for terrain clearance. The crew told the dispatcher that terrain clearance and driftdown was for dispatcher planning only and that once airborne he could fly anywhere he wanted. Of course this is in direct violation of the far's. This attitude has been taught in the training department per PIC.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AFTER A LEGAL DISPATCH THE FLT CREW REQUESTED A ROUTE CHANGE THAT THE REPORTER SAYS WAS NOT LEGAL.
Narrative: CREW REQUESTED CHANGE IN RTING AFTER DEP. THE FLT DISPATCHER HAD RTED FLT AROUND 2 MOUNTAIN WAVE. CREW WAS INFORMED THAT THE RTE HE WAS REQUESTING HAD NO DRIFTDOWN INFO AND WAS TOO HVY FOR TERRAIN CLRNC. THE CREW TOLD THE DISPATCHER THAT TERRAIN CLRNC AND DRIFTDOWN WAS FOR DISPATCHER PLANNING ONLY AND THAT ONCE AIRBORNE HE COULD FLY ANYWHERE HE WANTED. OF COURSE THIS IS IN DIRECT VIOLATION OF THE FAR'S. THIS ATTITUDE HAS BEEN TAUGHT IN THE TRNING DEPT PER PIC.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.