Two cfis file for VOR DME approach with no DME equipment on board.

Attributes
ACN	175155
Time
Date	199104
Day	Sat
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	atc facility : tki
State Reference	TX
Altitude	msl bound lower : 1100 msl bound upper : 1100
Environment
Flight Conditions	Marginal
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : dfw
Operator	general aviation : personal
Make Model Name	Small Aircraft, High Wing, 1 Eng, Fixed Gear
Flight Phase	descent : approach
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	Other
Function	flight crew : single pilot
Qualification	pilot : cfi
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 700 flight time type : 450
ASRS Report	175155
Person 2
Affiliation	Other
Function	other personnel other
Qualification	pilot : atp pilot : cfi
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 6800 flight time type : 700
ASRS Report	175154
Events
Anomaly	non adherence : far
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	none taken : anomaly accepted
Consequence	faa : investigated
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

On a flight from ads to tki, an IFR flight plan was filed to tki with ads as an alternate. A VOR/DME approach was made into tki west/O DME on board the aircraft. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information. Reporter states not sure how FAA learned of the violation. Believes someone on the field at another flight school reported. FAA has requested to see rptrs logbook. Reporter believes they are looking at the incident date. Does not know for sure. Says should have cancelled IFR as they were VFR at the time and have the duat printout to verify. Callback conversation with reporter, from supplemental acn 175154, revealed the following information. Reporter statement much the same as 175155 rptrs. They were together when they called ASRS. In addition he adds that he has flown the VOR DME approach many times before and knows the position of the DME fixes. But agrees should have cancelled and continued VFR.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: TWO CFIS FILE FOR VOR DME APCH WITH NO DME EQUIPMENT ON BOARD.

Narrative: ON A FLT FROM ADS TO TKI, AN IFR FLT PLAN WAS FILED TO TKI WITH ADS AS AN ALTERNATE. A VOR/DME APCH WAS MADE INTO TKI W/O DME ON BOARD THE ACFT. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO. RPTR STATES NOT SURE HOW FAA LEARNED OF THE VIOLATION. BELIEVES SOMEONE ON THE FIELD AT ANOTHER FLT SCHOOL RPTED. FAA HAS REQUESTED TO SEE RPTRS LOGBOOK. RPTR BELIEVES THEY ARE LOOKING AT THE INCIDENT DATE. DOES NOT KNOW FOR SURE. SAYS SHOULD HAVE CANCELLED IFR AS THEY WERE VFR AT THE TIME AND HAVE THE DUAT PRINTOUT TO VERIFY. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR, FROM SUPPLEMENTAL ACN 175154, REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO. RPTR STATEMENT MUCH THE SAME AS 175155 RPTRS. THEY WERE TOGETHER WHEN THEY CALLED ASRS. IN ADDITION HE ADDS THAT HE HAS FLOWN THE VOR DME APCH MANY TIMES BEFORE AND KNOWS THE POSITION OF THE DME FIXES. BUT AGREES SHOULD HAVE CANCELLED AND CONTINUED VFR.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.