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First officer flying did not have flight plan or aeronautical chart in hand. Requested route and heading after alymer VOR but captain was interrupted by cabin attendant in cockpit.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 175715 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199104 |
| Day | Thu |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : yqo airport : dtw |
| State Reference | ON |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 33000 msl bound upper : 33000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Dusk |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zob |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Flight Phase | cruise other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : commercial pilot : atp pilot : cfi pilot : instrument |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 1000 |
| ASRS Report | 175715 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation |
| Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | flight crew : became reoriented flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation other |
Narrative:
Was approaching the aylmer VOR on about a 285 degree heading. The captain had the flight plan and I tried to ask him what our route was after aylmer VOR. A F/a was in the cockpit insisting that the captain radio ahead to dtw about passenger connections since we were late. Every time the captain tried to answer my question the F/a interrupted. She was so into her 'problem' she didn't seem to care that I had a more urgent need. By this time we were at least 10 mi past aylmer and cle center came onto the radio and gave us radar vectors onto the correct right off aylmer VOR (which was the 269 right called V464). It was no problem, just embarrassing to have center tell you that you are starting to go off in the wrong direction. We should have handled it by not being nice guys and telling her in a loud voice to 'shut up, we are trying to fly the plane'!
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FO FLYING DID NOT HAVE FLT PLAN OR AERO CHART IN HAND. REQUESTED ROUTE AND HEADING AFTER ALYMER VOR BUT CAPT WAS INTERRUPTED BY CAB IN COCKPIT.
Narrative: WAS APCHING THE AYLMER VOR ON ABOUT A 285 DEG HDG. THE CAPT HAD THE FLT PLAN AND I TRIED TO ASK HIM WHAT OUR RTE WAS AFTER AYLMER VOR. A F/A WAS IN THE COCKPIT INSISTING THAT THE CAPT RADIO AHEAD TO DTW ABOUT PAX CONNECTIONS SINCE WE WERE LATE. EVERY TIME THE CAPT TRIED TO ANSWER MY QUESTION THE F/A INTERRUPTED. SHE WAS SO INTO HER 'PROB' SHE DIDN'T SEEM TO CARE THAT I HAD A MORE URGENT NEED. BY THIS TIME WE WERE AT LEAST 10 MI PAST AYLMER AND CLE CTR CAME ONTO THE RADIO AND GAVE US RADAR VECTORS ONTO THE CORRECT R OFF AYLMER VOR (WHICH WAS THE 269 R CALLED V464). IT WAS NO PROB, JUST EMBARRASSING TO HAVE CTR TELL YOU THAT YOU ARE STARTING TO GO OFF IN THE WRONG DIRECTION. WE SHOULD HAVE HANDLED IT BY NOT BEING NICE GUYS AND TELLING HER IN A LOUD VOICE TO 'SHUT UP, WE ARE TRYING TO FLY THE PLANE'!
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.