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Flight crew complaint that baggage loading at phl put the aircraft in an out of trim situation. Both alleged it is a common practice at phl.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 175851 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199104 |
| Day | Tue |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : phl |
| State Reference | PA |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Dusk |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Light Transport, High Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng |
| Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff ground : preflight |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 2000 |
| ASRS Report | 175851 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 9000 flight time type : 6500 |
| ASRS Report | 176107 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Airport |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
| Situations | |
| Airport | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
On 4/X/91, phl mdt flight departed late because of last min aircraft swap and restrictions as to number of bags to be loaded were given to ramp personnel. With 29 passengers we could take 46 bags. We received a slip showing 24 passengers and 40 bags and we asked for assurance that bags were split evenly, 20 forward and 20 aft as per loading requirements for this aircraft. On takeoff from phl the aircraft rotated abruptly and when noting trim settings as obviously tail heavy. When reaching mdt bags were checked and found 13 forward and 30 aft. Note: this is a common problem for all commuter aircraft in phl. Someone should have responsibility for notifying crews of accurate aircraft loads. This is not taken seriously at this particular station. Ramp personnel are either overworked or just don't care whether aircraft are loaded properly.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLT CREW COMPLAINT THAT BAGGAGE LOADING AT PHL PUT THE ACFT IN AN OUT OF TRIM SITUATION. BOTH ALLEGED IT IS A COMMON PRACTICE AT PHL.
Narrative: ON 4/X/91, PHL MDT FLT DEPARTED LATE BECAUSE OF LAST MIN ACFT SWAP AND RESTRICTIONS AS TO NUMBER OF BAGS TO BE LOADED WERE GIVEN TO RAMP PERSONNEL. WITH 29 PAXS WE COULD TAKE 46 BAGS. WE RECEIVED A SLIP SHOWING 24 PAXS AND 40 BAGS AND WE ASKED FOR ASSURANCE THAT BAGS WERE SPLIT EVENLY, 20 FORWARD AND 20 AFT AS PER LOADING REQUIREMENTS FOR THIS ACFT. ON TKOF FROM PHL THE ACFT ROTATED ABRUPTLY AND WHEN NOTING TRIM SETTINGS AS OBVIOUSLY TAIL HVY. WHEN REACHING MDT BAGS WERE CHKED AND FOUND 13 FORWARD AND 30 AFT. NOTE: THIS IS A COMMON PROB FOR ALL COMMUTER ACFT IN PHL. SOMEONE SHOULD HAVE RESPONSIBILITY FOR NOTIFYING CREWS OF ACCURATE ACFT LOADS. THIS IS NOT TAKEN SERIOUSLY AT THIS PARTICULAR STATION. RAMP PERSONNEL ARE EITHER OVERWORKED OR JUST DON'T CARE WHETHER ACFT ARE LOADED PROPERLY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.