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VFR traffic at 16500' MSL pointed out to flight crew climbing to 17000'. Flight crew protests proximity of the VFR traffic with no vector for greater separation from TRACON or center.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 175973 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199104 |
| Day | Thu |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : ewr |
| State Reference | NJ |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 16500 msl bound upper : 17000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zny tracon : n90 |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Widebody, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude cruise other |
| Route In Use | enroute airway : zny |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 20000 |
| ASRS Report | 175973 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : atp pilot : commercial |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 210 |
| ASRS Report | 175916 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe |
| Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | Other |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 18000 vertical : 500 |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
| Situations | |
| ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
At handoff to center, southwest departure pointed traffic at 2 O'clock, 3 mi, 16.5 VFR. Cleared us to 1700'. We checked on center frequency. They reported traffic 1 O'clock. We turned south. As we begun turn we saw traffic at 1200'. We were not aware we were closing on traffic. Center or departure should vector even a VFR/IFR conflict away from each other.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: VFR TRAFFIC AT 16500' MSL POINTED OUT TO FLT CREW CLIMBING TO 17000'. FLT CREW PROTESTS PROX OF THE VFR TRAFFIC WITH NO VECTOR FOR GREATER SEPARATION FROM TRACON OR CENTER.
Narrative: AT HDOF TO CENTER, SW DEP POINTED TFC AT 2 O'CLOCK, 3 MI, 16.5 VFR. CLRED US TO 1700'. WE CHKED ON CENTER FREQ. THEY RPTED TFC 1 O'CLOCK. WE TURNED S. AS WE BEGUN TURN WE SAW TFC AT 1200'. WE WERE NOT AWARE WE WERE CLOSING ON TFC. CENTER OR DEP SHOULD VECTOR EVEN A VFR/IFR CONFLICT AWAY FROM EACH OTHER.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.