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Instructor of training flight contacted grr TRACON for entry into arsa and was told to stand by. Pilot took this to mean he was in communication with the TRACON and entered the arsa.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 177095 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199104 |
| Day | Thu |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : grr |
| State Reference | MI |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 3500 msl bound upper : 3500 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | Mixed |
| Light | Dusk |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : grr |
| Operator | general aviation : instructional |
| Make Model Name | Small Aircraft, High Wing, 1 Eng, Fixed Gear |
| Flight Phase | cruise other descent : approach |
| Flight Plan | VFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | flight crew : single pilot instruction : instructor |
| Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 110 flight time total : 560 flight time type : 200 |
| ASRS Report | 177095 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | instruction : trainee |
| Qualification | pilot : student |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : far other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Failed to find error in student's time to chkpoint (used for initial call-up to grr approach) leaving little time for call (radio) to approach, combine with busy controller on frequency, made for close call on whether entry to arsa was ok. By reference to sectional and ground points, we seemed to still be clear of arsa when received, 'aircraft, stand by.' believing 2-WAY radio communication established, we entered the arsa. Later, 4 mi out, we were asked for our call sign and told to do a 360 degree turn, leaving some doubt if approach actually thought 2-WAY radio communication was established or not.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: INSTRUCTOR OF TRAINING FLT CONTACTED GRR TRACON FOR ENTRY INTO ARSA AND WAS TOLD TO STAND BY. PLT TOOK THIS TO MEAN HE WAS IN COM WITH THE TRACON AND ENTERED THE ARSA.
Narrative: FAILED TO FIND ERROR IN STUDENT'S TIME TO CHKPOINT (USED FOR INITIAL CALL-UP TO GRR APCH) LEAVING LITTLE TIME FOR CALL (RADIO) TO APCH, COMBINE WITH BUSY CTLR ON FREQ, MADE FOR CLOSE CALL ON WHETHER ENTRY TO ARSA WAS OK. BY REF TO SECTIONAL AND GND POINTS, WE SEEMED TO STILL BE CLR OF ARSA WHEN RECEIVED, 'ACFT, STAND BY.' BELIEVING 2-WAY RADIO COM ESTABLISHED, WE ENTERED THE ARSA. LATER, 4 MI OUT, WE WERE ASKED FOR OUR CALL SIGN AND TOLD TO DO A 360 DEG TURN, LEAVING SOME DOUBT IF APCH ACTUALLY THOUGHT 2-WAY RADIO COM WAS ESTABLISHED OR NOT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.