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Attributes | |
ACN | 177780 |
Time | |
Date | 199105 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : den |
State Reference | CO |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 8000 msl bound upper : 8000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : den |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : visual arrival other enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 17000 flight time type : 100 |
ASRS Report | 177780 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : atp pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | vertical : 500 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Airport | other physical facility |
Narrative:
We were being vectored on right base leg for a visibility approach to runway 17R at den, heading 090 degrees and at 8000' MSL. The controller called out traffic making a visibility approach to the parallel runway and also traffic ahead of us on final approach track to our runway. When we were unable to spot the traffic on the parallel runway, controller turned us back to a west heading (a 360 degree turn, eventually) to line up for another visibility. Another aircraft was on downwind and above us during the turn. Considerable confusion due to the vol of traffic being crammed down the chute of both runways. Most important cause of traffic conflict was 2 items: controller tried to get us in with a pattern that was too close and high to the airport and then relied on us being able to see other traffic when we couldn't. Also, the radio was being used almost entirely by the controller; i.e., she talked, but we couldn't, other than to specifically acknowledge an instruction. When combined with a large vol of traffic being routed into a major terminal, it produced an extremely dangerous situation; i.e., pilots cannot communicate their needs or input to the ground. Controllers cannot be allowed to monopolize the frequency or create high tension/close proximity situations in the name of handling the workload.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CONGESTED TRAFFIC CAUSED CTLR TO SPEAK CONTINUOUSLY PREVENTING 2-WAY COM.
Narrative: WE WERE BEING VECTORED ON RIGHT BASE LEG FOR A VIS APCH TO RWY 17R AT DEN, HDG 090 DEGS AND AT 8000' MSL. THE CTLR CALLED OUT TFC MAKING A VIS APCH TO THE PARALLEL RWY AND ALSO TFC AHEAD OF US ON FINAL APCH TRACK TO OUR RWY. WHEN WE WERE UNABLE TO SPOT THE TFC ON THE PARALLEL RWY, CTLR TURNED US BACK TO A W HDG (A 360 DEG TURN, EVENTUALLY) TO LINE UP FOR ANOTHER VIS. ANOTHER ACFT WAS ON DOWNWIND AND ABOVE US DURING THE TURN. CONSIDERABLE CONFUSION DUE TO THE VOL OF TFC BEING CRAMMED DOWN THE CHUTE OF BOTH RWYS. MOST IMPORTANT CAUSE OF TFC CONFLICT WAS 2 ITEMS: CTLR TRIED TO GET US IN WITH A PATTERN THAT WAS TOO CLOSE AND HIGH TO THE ARPT AND THEN RELIED ON US BEING ABLE TO SEE OTHER TFC WHEN WE COULDN'T. ALSO, THE RADIO WAS BEING USED ALMOST ENTIRELY BY THE CTLR; I.E., SHE TALKED, BUT WE COULDN'T, OTHER THAN TO SPECIFICALLY ACKNOWLEDGE AN INSTRUCTION. WHEN COMBINED WITH A LARGE VOL OF TFC BEING ROUTED INTO A MAJOR TERMINAL, IT PRODUCED AN EXTREMELY DANGEROUS SITUATION; I.E., PLTS CANNOT COMMUNICATE THEIR NEEDS OR INPUT TO THE GND. CTLRS CANNOT BE ALLOWED TO MONOPOLIZE THE FREQ OR CREATE HIGH TENSION/CLOSE PROX SITUATIONS IN THE NAME OF HANDLING THE WORKLOAD.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.