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Cpr light transport X pilot on check ride finds himself 400' low at the OM, and in conflict with small transport Y.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 179001 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199105 |
| Day | Wed |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : lgb |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 1000 msl bound upper : 1150 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : lgb |
| Operator | general aviation : corporate |
| Make Model Name | Light Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Route In Use | approach : straight in |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Make Model Name | Small Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | flight crew : first officer instruction : trainee |
| Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 90 flight time total : 15700 flight time type : 150 |
| ASRS Report | 179001 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | flight crew : captain observation : company check pilot oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : took evasive action other |
| Consequence | Other |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 0 vertical : 150 |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
I was flying the cpr light transport X jet from the left seat by reference to instruments on an ATP type rating check flight. Passing the OM inbound, I was approximately 400' below the glide path due to a misinterp of EFIS presentation. The captain/examiner was in the right seat making the radio calls. About 1/2 mi inside the OM the tower controller asked if we had the small transport Y in sight at 2 O'clock, 1 mi, westbound. The captain replied, 'negative.' a couple of seconds later tower asked the small transport Y if he had us (light transport X) in sight. He replied, 'yeah, we've got him.' at that time tower issued a low altitude alert to us and requested that we initiate an immediate climb. I did so. The captain reported that the small transport Y took no evasive action and passed 150' below us. After passing below us the small transport Y captain reported to the tower that, 'that looked awful close.' I recommend that lgb control tower not transit aircraft through the ILS approach zone when aircraft are on the ILS approach. I recommend also that pilots be reminded that when they discover that they are going to be 'awful close,' they take evasive action immediately. My captain did not see the small transport Y in time to take evasive action. Had the tower not instructed us to pull up immediately, I may not have been hear to write this report.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CPR LTT X PLT ON CHECK RIDE FINDS HIMSELF 400' LOW AT THE OM, AND IN CONFLICT WITH SMT Y.
Narrative: I WAS FLYING THE CPR LTT X JET FROM THE LEFT SEAT BY REF TO INSTRUMENTS ON AN ATP TYPE RATING CHK FLT. PASSING THE OM INBND, I WAS APPROX 400' BELOW THE GLIDE PATH DUE TO A MISINTERP OF EFIS PRESENTATION. THE CAPT/EXAMINER WAS IN THE RIGHT SEAT MAKING THE RADIO CALLS. ABOUT 1/2 MI INSIDE THE OM THE TWR CTLR ASKED IF WE HAD THE SMT Y IN SIGHT AT 2 O'CLOCK, 1 MI, WBND. THE CAPT REPLIED, 'NEGATIVE.' A COUPLE OF SECS LATER TWR ASKED THE SMT Y IF HE HAD US (LTT X) IN SIGHT. HE REPLIED, 'YEAH, WE'VE GOT HIM.' AT THAT TIME TWR ISSUED A LOW ALT ALERT TO US AND REQUESTED THAT WE INITIATE AN IMMEDIATE CLB. I DID SO. THE CAPT RPTED THAT THE SMT Y TOOK NO EVASIVE ACTION AND PASSED 150' BELOW US. AFTER PASSING BELOW US THE SMT Y CAPT RPTED TO THE TWR THAT, 'THAT LOOKED AWFUL CLOSE.' I RECOMMEND THAT LGB CTL TWR NOT TRANSIT ACFT THROUGH THE ILS APCH ZONE WHEN ACFT ARE ON THE ILS APCH. I RECOMMEND ALSO THAT PLTS BE REMINDED THAT WHEN THEY DISCOVER THAT THEY ARE GOING TO BE 'AWFUL CLOSE,' THEY TAKE EVASIVE ACTION IMMEDIATELY. MY CAPT DID NOT SEE THE SMT Y IN TIME TO TAKE EVASIVE ACTION. HAD THE TWR NOT INSTRUCTED US TO PULL UP IMMEDIATELY, I MAY NOT HAVE BEEN HEAR TO WRITE THIS RPT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.