Near midair collision between air carrier medium large transport and commuter light transport Y near...

Attributes
ACN	179026
Time
Date	199105
Day	Wed
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	atc facility : jfk
State Reference	NY
Altitude	msl bound lower : 8000 msl bound upper : 8400
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : n90
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng
Navigation In Use	Other Other
Flight Phase	climbout : intermediate altitude
Flight Plan	IFR
Aircraft 2
Make Model Name	Light Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng
Flight Phase	cruise other
Flight Plan	VFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : atp pilot : cfi
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 11500 flight time type : 3200
ASRS Report	179026
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Events
Anomaly	conflict : nmac
Independent Detector	aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	flight crew : took evasive action
Consequence	Other
Miss Distance	horizontal : 0 vertical : 400
Supplementary
Primary Problem	ATC Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	other

Narrative:

Level at 8000', ATC cleared us to climb to 13000'. Right then we got a TCASII TA at 2 O'clock, 2 mi + 05. The climb had already commenced, so we immediately applied forward pressure (not violently) to reduce the climb. As this was happening we saw the traffic (light transport Y) VFR at 8500' and got an RA to 'reduce climb.' traffic passed 400' overhead. ATC gave us a TA after he issued a clearance to climb 'into' the traffic. I told him about our RA. He said to stand by, and that was it! I asked the controller if he was working the traffic and he said affirmative. I didn't, but should have questioned him as to why he climbed us into known traffic.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: NMAC BETWEEN ACR MLG AND COMMUTER LTT Y NEAR JFK.

Narrative: LEVEL AT 8000', ATC CLRED US TO CLB TO 13000'. RIGHT THEN WE GOT A TCASII TA AT 2 O'CLOCK, 2 MI + 05. THE CLB HAD ALREADY COMMENCED, SO WE IMMEDIATELY APPLIED FORWARD PRESSURE (NOT VIOLENTLY) TO REDUCE THE CLB. AS THIS WAS HAPPENING WE SAW THE TFC (LTT Y) VFR AT 8500' AND GOT AN RA TO 'REDUCE CLB.' TFC PASSED 400' OVERHEAD. ATC GAVE US A TA AFTER HE ISSUED A CLRNC TO CLB 'INTO' THE TFC. I TOLD HIM ABOUT OUR RA. HE SAID TO STAND BY, AND THAT WAS IT! I ASKED THE CTLR IF HE WAS WORKING THE TFC AND HE SAID AFFIRMATIVE. I DIDN'T, BUT SHOULD HAVE QUESTIONED HIM AS TO WHY HE CLBED US INTO KNOWN TFC.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

Near midair collision between air carrier medium large transport and commuter light transport Y near jfk.