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At 17000' MSL widebody transport was given turn to avoid a VFR twin at 17500' MSL. Reporter objects to too little clearance from twin.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 180380 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199106 |
| Day | Sun |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : jfk |
| State Reference | NJ |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 17000 msl bound upper : 17000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | Mixed |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Widebody, Low Wing, 4 Turbojet Eng |
| Navigation In Use | Other |
| Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude cruise other |
| Route In Use | enroute airway : n90 |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | other |
| Make Model Name | Small Transport, Low Wing, 2 Recip Eng |
| Flight Phase | cruise other |
| Flight Plan | VFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 18000 flight time type : 7000 |
| ASRS Report | 180380 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : atp pilot : commercial |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe |
| Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | other |
| Consequence | Other |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 2000 vertical : 500 |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Ny departure control giving radar vectors to gayel intersection. Leveled off at 17000' during climb to FL310. Clearance given to 'climb to FL230--correction, maintain 17000, VFR traffic 12 O'clock, 5 mi indicating 17500'.' we were on 320 degree radar vectors. I said, 'maintain 17000, request sep.' we were given a left turn to 270 degrees. In the turn the traffic (a light twin--high tail) passed slightly high at 2 O'clock and about 2000' latitude. (Ny departure control 126.8 MHZ.) existing procedures: controller may advise IFR traffic of VFR traffic. IFR traffic must request sep. Sep is unsatisfactory.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AT 17000' MSL WDB WAS GIVEN TURN TO AVOID A VFR TWIN AT 17500' MSL. REPORTER OBJECTS TO TOO LITTLE CLRNC FROM TWIN.
Narrative: NY DEP CTL GIVING RADAR VECTORS TO GAYEL INTXN. LEVELED OFF AT 17000' DURING CLB TO FL310. CLRNC GIVEN TO 'CLB TO FL230--CORRECTION, MAINTAIN 17000, VFR TFC 12 O'CLOCK, 5 MI INDICATING 17500'.' WE WERE ON 320 DEG RADAR VECTORS. I SAID, 'MAINTAIN 17000, REQUEST SEP.' WE WERE GIVEN A LEFT TURN TO 270 DEGS. IN THE TURN THE TFC (A LIGHT TWIN--HIGH TAIL) PASSED SLIGHTLY HIGH AT 2 O'CLOCK AND ABOUT 2000' LAT. (NY DEP CTL 126.8 MHZ.) EXISTING PROCS: CTLR MAY ADVISE IFR TFC OF VFR TFC. IFR TFC MUST REQUEST SEP. SEP IS UNSATISFACTORY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.