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Attributes | |
ACN | 181585 |
Time | |
Date | 199106 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : msp |
State Reference | MN |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 1800 msl bound upper : 4000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : msp tower : hnl |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach landing : go around |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 190 flight time total : 10600 flight time type : 680 |
ASRS Report | 181585 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence other other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | other other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
The captain was flying as we were cleared for a visibility approach to 11R at msp. He acknowledged the clearance and made his left base turn. I could not see the airport or runway at this time, but I knew he was high 4000' MSL (last assigned altitude) and barely abeam the OM for 11R. As he rolled out on final it was clear to everyone in the cockpit that he was very high. On board that day were both a company line check airman and an FAA examiner. The captain wanted to do a 360 degree turn on final to lose altitude. I suggested flaps 3 and full spoilers, which is the best way to lose altitude on final with gear down. He tried it; however, at 180 KTS and the fact we were experiencing a tailwind aloft, it was not enough. At approximately 2000' MSL I said, 'don't think you'll get it down.' approximately 200' later I said, 'are you ready to go around to the right?' neither questions received a response. The line check airman then told the captain, 'let's go around,' and he began the go around procedure. At the gate the line check airman removed the captain from the trip until further training took place.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR MLG CAPT IS HIGH ON VISUAL APCH TO MSP, SLOW TO RESPOND TO SITUATION OR ACT ON FO'S WARNING. FINALLY RESPONDS AT THE POINT OF CHECK AIRMAN'S INTERVENTION.
Narrative: THE CAPT WAS FLYING AS WE WERE CLRED FOR A VIS APCH TO 11R AT MSP. HE ACKNOWLEDGED THE CLRNC AND MADE HIS LEFT BASE TURN. I COULD NOT SEE THE ARPT OR RWY AT THIS TIME, BUT I KNEW HE WAS HIGH 4000' MSL (LAST ASSIGNED ALT) AND BARELY ABEAM THE OM FOR 11R. AS HE ROLLED OUT ON FINAL IT WAS CLR TO EVERYONE IN THE COCKPIT THAT HE WAS VERY HIGH. ON BOARD THAT DAY WERE BOTH A COMPANY LINE CHK AIRMAN AND AN FAA EXAMINER. THE CAPT WANTED TO DO A 360 DEG TURN ON FINAL TO LOSE ALT. I SUGGESTED FLAPS 3 AND FULL SPOILERS, WHICH IS THE BEST WAY TO LOSE ALT ON FINAL WITH GEAR DOWN. HE TRIED IT; HOWEVER, AT 180 KTS AND THE FACT WE WERE EXPERIENCING A TAILWIND ALOFT, IT WAS NOT ENOUGH. AT APPROX 2000' MSL I SAID, 'DON'T THINK YOU'LL GET IT DOWN.' APPROX 200' LATER I SAID, 'ARE YOU READY TO GO AROUND TO THE RIGHT?' NEITHER QUESTIONS RECEIVED A RESPONSE. THE LINE CHK AIRMAN THEN TOLD THE CAPT, 'LET'S GO AROUND,' AND HE BEGAN THE GAR PROC. AT THE GATE THE LINE CHK AIRMAN REMOVED THE CAPT FROM THE TRIP UNTIL FURTHER TRNING TOOK PLACE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.