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Air carrier mdt flight crew accused of landing short of displaced threshold. Flight crew reporter complains of non standard displaced threshold markings.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 181967 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199106 |
| Day | Wed |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : isp |
| State Reference | NY |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Medium Transport, High Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng |
| Flight Phase | landing other |
| Route In Use | approach : visual |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time total : 3000 flight time type : 600 |
| ASRS Report | 181967 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : far non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | other |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Airport |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
| Situations | |
| Airport | other physical facility procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
I was the PNF. After briefing the captain about ATIS K at isp and telling him about the 300' displaced threshold, a normal landing followed some 1500-2000' down runway 24. While waiting for our gate, ground control asked if we were still on the frequency. They asked us if we were aware of the displaced threshold. We replied that we were aware and did comply. They said it looked like we landed a little short. End of conversation. Recommendation: better visibility cues for displaced threshold. They only used 2 saw horses and when we landed 1 was knocked over.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR MDT FLT CREW ACCUSED OF LNDG SHORT OF DISPLACED THRESHOLD. FLT CREW REPORTER COMPLAINS OF NON STANDARD DISPLACED THRESHOLD MARKINGS.
Narrative: I WAS THE PNF. AFTER BRIEFING THE CAPT ABOUT ATIS K AT ISP AND TELLING HIM ABOUT THE 300' DISPLACED THRESHOLD, A NORMAL LNDG FOLLOWED SOME 1500-2000' DOWN RWY 24. WHILE WAITING FOR OUR GATE, GND CTL ASKED IF WE WERE STILL ON THE FREQ. THEY ASKED US IF WE WERE AWARE OF THE DISPLACED THRESHOLD. WE REPLIED THAT WE WERE AWARE AND DID COMPLY. THEY SAID IT LOOKED LIKE WE LANDED A LITTLE SHORT. END OF CONVERSATION. RECOMMENDATION: BETTER VIS CUES FOR DISPLACED THRESHOLD. THEY ONLY USED 2 SAW HORSES AND WHEN WE LANDED 1 WAS KNOCKED OVER.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.