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Spi and instructor made short pattern, turn onto base cut out mol on approach. Trainer made go around.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 183945 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199107 |
| Day | Thu |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : pwm |
| State Reference | ME |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 800 msl bound upper : 800 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : pwm tracon : bna |
| Operator | general aviation : instructional |
| Make Model Name | Small Aircraft, High Wing, 1 Eng, Fixed Gear |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach landing : go around |
| Flight Plan | None |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach descent other landing other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | instruction : instructor oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : cfi |
| ASRS Report | 183945 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | flight crew : single pilot instruction : trainee |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : private |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe other spatial deviation |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action other |
| Consequence | Other |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 1500 vertical : 200 |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
I was a student pilot (has private and instrument) practicing touch and go's for commercial chkride. We were flying right traffic and were asked to report 'prior to turning base.' the student was relatively new to complex aircraft so I was doing a lot of talking. We reached abeam point and started landing procedures. Student was much too close on downwind, then turned much too soon to base. As I was talking student through procedures, I forgot to call tower prior to base. I realized as we turned base, but when I went to call I had to delay while an medium large transport made two calls to tower to ask about aircraft turning in front of him. As soon as he had finished I called to tell tower we were turning final above base leg and had been very short due to tight downwind flown by student. Tower immediately instructed a go around, which we did. As we had been so tight on pattern due to student misjudging rate of descent, we were at 800 ft on a one half mi final nd never descended below that altitude. The medium large transport continued its approach for a normal landing. We went around, made one more approach to a full stop. At not time were we able to see the medium large transport as visibility was restr by haze and our right turn to final obscured our view as he flew below us from the left. Factors contributing to situation: restr visibility. My attention diverted by student errors. Asked to report 'prior to turning base' instead of more usual 'report midfield downwind', you have much more time on downwind than once you have started landing procedures. Continual discussion with student due to errors blocked me from hearing calls from and to tower. Lack of traffic advisory by tower controller as reason for unusual reporting instructions. Prevention of recurrence: tower should call traffic in restr visibility even if it does appear it will conflict. Ask pilots to report at a time when they are able instead of when landing procedures take preference.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: SPI AND INSTRUCTOR MADE SHORT PATTERN, TURN ONTO BASE CUT OUT MOL ON APCH. TRAINER MADE GAR.
Narrative: I WAS A STUDENT PLT (HAS PRIVATE AND INSTR) PRACTICING TOUCH AND GO'S FOR COMMERCIAL CHKRIDE. WE WERE FLYING R TFC AND WERE ASKED TO RPT 'PRIOR TO TURNING BASE.' THE STUDENT WAS RELATIVELY NEW TO COMPLEX ACFT SO I WAS DOING A LOT OF TALKING. WE REACHED ABEAM POINT AND STARTED LNDG PROCS. STUDENT WAS MUCH TOO CLOSE ON DOWNWIND, THEN TURNED MUCH TOO SOON TO BASE. AS I WAS TALKING STUDENT THROUGH PROCS, I FORGOT TO CALL TWR PRIOR TO BASE. I REALIZED AS WE TURNED BASE, BUT WHEN I WENT TO CALL I HAD TO DELAY WHILE AN MLG MADE TWO CALLS TO TWR TO ASK ABOUT ACFT TURNING IN FRONT OF HIM. AS SOON AS HE HAD FINISHED I CALLED TO TELL TWR WE WERE TURNING FINAL ABOVE BASE LEG AND HAD BEEN VERY SHORT DUE TO TIGHT DOWNWIND FLOWN BY STUDENT. TWR IMMEDIATELY INSTRUCTED A GAR, WHICH WE DID. AS WE HAD BEEN SO TIGHT ON PATTERN DUE TO STUDENT MISJUDGING RATE OF DSCNT, WE WERE AT 800 FT ON A ONE HALF MI FINAL ND NEVER DSNDED BELOW THAT ALT. THE MLG CONTINUED ITS APCH FOR A NORMAL LNDG. WE WENT AROUND, MADE ONE MORE APCH TO A FULL STOP. AT NOT TIME WERE WE ABLE TO SEE THE MLG AS VISIBILITY WAS RESTR BY HAZE AND OUR R TURN TO FINAL OBSCURED OUR VIEW AS HE FLEW BELOW US FROM THE L. FACTORS CONTRIBUTING TO SITUATION: RESTR VISIBILITY. MY ATTN DIVERTED BY STUDENT ERRORS. ASKED TO RPT 'PRIOR TO TURNING BASE' INSTEAD OF MORE USUAL 'RPT MIDFIELD DOWNWIND', YOU HAVE MUCH MORE TIME ON DOWNWIND THAN ONCE YOU HAVE STARTED LNDG PROCS. CONTINUAL DISCUSSION WITH STUDENT DUE TO ERRORS BLOCKED ME FROM HEARING CALLS FROM AND TO TWR. LACK OF TFC ADVISORY BY TWR CTLR AS REASON FOR UNUSUAL RPTING INSTRUCTIONS. PREVENTION OF RECURRENCE: TWR SHOULD CALL TFC IN RESTR VISIBILITY EVEN IF IT DOES APPEAR IT WILL CONFLICT. ASK PLTS TO RPT AT A TIME WHEN THEY ARE ABLE INSTEAD OF WHEN LNDG PROCS TAKE PREFERENCE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.