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Attributes | |
ACN | 184811 |
Time | |
Date | 199107 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : sax |
State Reference | NJ |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 5000 msl bound upper : 5000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90 |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Light Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Small Aircraft, Low Wing, 1 Eng, Retractable Gear |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 4060 flight time type : 920 |
ASRS Report | 184811 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe inflight encounter : vfr in imc non adherence : far |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 1500 vertical : 150 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Our aircraft departed hvn on an IFR flight plan to iad. New york area airports reported clear skies, VFR visibility. In-flight visibility was poor due to haze. At 5000 ft we could just see the ground so we estimated visibility to be 1 mi. We were given a typical 'step climb' out of hvn. 9 mins after departure we were still at 5000 ft, just north of the ny TCA. When we had a near miss with what appeared to be an small aircraft. He was exactly head on at approximately the same altitude. He saw us about the same time we saw him, we both broke right. The amount of vertical separation is hard to judge, probably 100- 200 ft lateral separation was about 1/4 mi. There were several things working in our favor. Most importantly, although the controller was busy he called traffic to us. Although he was at 12 O'clock he was hard for us to focus on, we probably wouldn't have seen him. In-flight visibility was only 1 mi. We had slowed to 300 KTS because of the visibility. On a clear day we'd be doing close to 250 KTS. Not a good idea, in retrospect, even on a clear day. We had the autoplt on, allowing both pilots to devote 100 percent of our attention to looking for the traffic. We had our landing lights on. He did not. We called ny TRACON after landing. We were told that the guy was from the midwest and was 'picking his way through the clouds' for bridgeport. What a stupid place to be doing that! Just west of the ny TCA in IFR conditions. We have asked our company to try for a new routing that could get us higher, faster.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CLOSE PROX COMMUTER-LTT GA-SMA AT 5000 IN HAZE JUST N OF N90 TCA.
Narrative: OUR ACFT DEPARTED HVN ON AN IFR FLT PLAN TO IAD. NEW YORK AREA ARPTS RPTED CLR SKIES, VFR VISIBILITY. INFLT VISIBILITY WAS POOR DUE TO HAZE. AT 5000 FT WE COULD JUST SEE THE GND SO WE ESTIMATED VISIBILITY TO BE 1 MI. WE WERE GIVEN A TYPICAL 'STEP CLB' OUT OF HVN. 9 MINS AFTER DEP WE WERE STILL AT 5000 FT, JUST N OF THE NY TCA. WHEN WE HAD A NEAR MISS WITH WHAT APPEARED TO BE AN SMA. HE WAS EXACTLY HEAD ON AT APPROX THE SAME ALT. HE SAW US ABOUT THE SAME TIME WE SAW HIM, WE BOTH BROKE R. THE AMOUNT OF VERT SEPARATION IS HARD TO JUDGE, PROBABLY 100- 200 FT LATERAL SEPARATION WAS ABOUT 1/4 MI. THERE WERE SEVERAL THINGS WORKING IN OUR FAVOR. MOST IMPORTANTLY, ALTHOUGH THE CTLR WAS BUSY HE CALLED TFC TO US. ALTHOUGH HE WAS AT 12 O'CLOCK HE WAS HARD FOR US TO FOCUS ON, WE PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAVE SEEN HIM. INFLT VISIBILITY WAS ONLY 1 MI. WE HAD SLOWED TO 300 KTS BECAUSE OF THE VISIBILITY. ON A CLR DAY WE'D BE DOING CLOSE TO 250 KTS. NOT A GOOD IDEA, IN RETROSPECT, EVEN ON A CLR DAY. WE HAD THE AUTOPLT ON, ALLOWING BOTH PLTS TO DEVOTE 100 PERCENT OF OUR ATTN TO LOOKING FOR THE TFC. WE HAD OUR LNDG LIGHTS ON. HE DID NOT. WE CALLED NY TRACON AFTER LNDG. WE WERE TOLD THAT THE GUY WAS FROM THE MIDWEST AND WAS 'PICKING HIS WAY THROUGH THE CLOUDS' FOR BRIDGEPORT. WHAT A STUPID PLACE TO BE DOING THAT! JUST W OF THE NY TCA IN IFR CONDITIONS. WE HAVE ASKED OUR COMPANY TO TRY FOR A NEW RTING THAT COULD GET US HIGHER, FASTER.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.