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Flight crew of light transport made turn after takeoff runway 15 at bur as soon as practicable and flew over a taxiing medium large transport.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 185447 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199108 |
| Day | Fri |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : bur |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 200 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Dusk |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : bur |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Light Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng |
| Flight Phase | climbout : initial |
| Route In Use | departure : noise abatement departure other departure sid : sid |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 2700 flight time type : 1500 |
| ASRS Report | 185447 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : ground less severe non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far |
| Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa other other : unspecified |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : insufficient time |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 0 vertical : 200 |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Flight departed bur on runway 15 using the full length and full power. The IFR clearance called for the ELM04 SID. This called for left hand turn to a heading of 110 degree as soon as 'trackable'. The captain initiated this turn immediately after liftoff. Although at no time was there any doubt concerning obstacle clearance (even in the event of an engine failure), an medium large transport airline pilot complained that we were only a 'few hundred ft' above him when we flew over him. The medium large transport was taxiing out to the same runway we had just departed from. A discussion with bur tower supervisor revealed that they prefer that turns not be initiated until over the departure end of the runway. This preference is in conflict with SID instructions of 'turn as soon as practicable'.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC OF LTT MADE TURN AFTER TKOF RWY 15 AT BUR AS SOON AS PRACTICABLE AND FLEW OVER A TAXIING MLG.
Narrative: FLT DEPARTED BUR ON RWY 15 USING THE FULL LENGTH AND FULL PWR. THE IFR CLRNC CALLED FOR THE ELM04 SID. THIS CALLED FOR L HAND TURN TO A HDG OF 110 DEG AS SOON AS 'TRACKABLE'. THE CAPT INITIATED THIS TURN IMMEDIATELY AFTER LIFTOFF. ALTHOUGH AT NO TIME WAS THERE ANY DOUBT CONCERNING OBSTACLE CLRNC (EVEN IN THE EVENT OF AN ENG FAILURE), AN MLG AIRLINE PLT COMPLAINED THAT WE WERE ONLY A 'FEW HUNDRED FT' ABOVE HIM WHEN WE FLEW OVER HIM. THE MLG WAS TAXIING OUT TO THE SAME RWY WE HAD JUST DEPARTED FROM. A DISCUSSION WITH BUR TWR SUPVR REVEALED THAT THEY PREFER THAT TURNS NOT BE INITIATED UNTIL OVER THE DEP END OF THE RWY. THIS PREFERENCE IS IN CONFLICT WITH SID INSTRUCTIONS OF 'TURN AS SOON AS PRACTICABLE'.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.