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Attributes | |
ACN | 186272 |
Time | |
Date | 199108 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : chs |
State Reference | NC |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 28000 msl bound upper : 28000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zjx |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument pilot : atp pilot : cfi pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 3000 flight time type : 600 |
ASRS Report | 186272 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | inflight encounter : weather non adherence : far non adherence : clearance other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : exited adverse environment flight crew : exited penetrated airspace flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We were en route from philadelphia to miami at 2800 ft. The entire east coast was full of thunderstorms and we were rted over the water on arrival. Just south of dixon NDB, a line of thunderstorms blocked AR7 and we needed to deviation either east or west at least 70 NM. Unfortunately both sides of the airway are bordered by warning areas, W122 to the east, W177 to the west and both were active. Several aircraft ahead of us notified jax center that deviation would be required, we advised them as well. Center advised not to enter the warning areas because they were active to which someone asked why they weren't capped to allow deviations. Center replied that they were trying to coordination that. Unfortunately real time didn't allow us to wait for that as we were doing .78 mach and couldn't do a 180 degree turn because of traffic behind us and at all close altitudes. As a result we deviated well east of AR7, flying through W122's southwest corner to get through an area between cells. We saw at least 4 other airliners using the same area. After the line of WX we returned to AR7. Since I'm an exmil pilot I was used to having my airspace capped for deviating airliners. ATC put all of us on the arrival route in an unacceptable and dangerous situation by not rapidly coordinating with the military for airspace. We had no good options.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: HVY WX FORCED FLT TO DETOUR TO THE E AND PENETRATE WARNING AREA THAT ARTCC ALLEGEDLY WAS UNABLE TO CAP FOR AIRLINER PASSAGE.
Narrative: WE WERE ENRTE FROM PHILADELPHIA TO MIAMI AT 2800 FT. THE ENTIRE E COAST WAS FULL OF TSTMS AND WE WERE RTED OVER THE WATER ON ARR. JUST S OF DIXON NDB, A LINE OF TSTMS BLOCKED AR7 AND WE NEEDED TO DEV EITHER E OR W AT LEAST 70 NM. UNFORTUNATELY BOTH SIDES OF THE AIRWAY ARE BORDERED BY WARNING AREAS, W122 TO THE E, W177 TO THE W AND BOTH WERE ACTIVE. SEVERAL ACFT AHEAD OF US NOTIFIED JAX CENTER THAT DEV WOULD BE REQUIRED, WE ADVISED THEM AS WELL. CENTER ADVISED NOT TO ENTER THE WARNING AREAS BECAUSE THEY WERE ACTIVE TO WHICH SOMEONE ASKED WHY THEY WEREN'T CAPPED TO ALLOW DEVS. CENTER REPLIED THAT THEY WERE TRYING TO COORD THAT. UNFORTUNATELY REAL TIME DIDN'T ALLOW US TO WAIT FOR THAT AS WE WERE DOING .78 MACH AND COULDN'T DO A 180 DEG TURN BECAUSE OF TFC BEHIND US AND AT ALL CLOSE ALTS. AS A RESULT WE DEVIATED WELL E OF AR7, FLYING THROUGH W122'S SW CORNER TO GET THROUGH AN AREA BTWN CELLS. WE SAW AT LEAST 4 OTHER AIRLINERS USING THE SAME AREA. AFTER THE LINE OF WX WE RETURNED TO AR7. SINCE I'M AN EXMIL PLT I WAS USED TO HAVING MY AIRSPACE CAPPED FOR DEVIATING AIRLINERS. ATC PUT ALL OF US ON THE ARR RTE IN AN UNACCEPTABLE AND DANGEROUS SITUATION BY NOT RAPIDLY COORDINATING WITH THE MIL FOR AIRSPACE. WE HAD NO GOOD OPTIONS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.