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Attributes | |
ACN | 187847 |
Time | |
Date | 199109 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : bur |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 8000 msl bound upper : 9000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : bur |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | general aviation : instructional |
Make Model Name | Small Aircraft, High Wing, 1 Eng, Fixed Gear |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | None |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 220 flight time total : 9000 flight time type : 3000 |
ASRS Report | 187847 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude non adherence : clearance non adherence : far |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other controllera |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 12000 vertical : 1000 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Aircraft |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation other |
Narrative:
During climb out from burbank airport, cleared to 13000 ft and told to level at about 4800 ft for traffic. We did so and spotted high wing single engine aircraft doing air work at 12 O'clock slightly above our altitude. We descended to 4500 and passed under traffic, as he did steep turn, etc. After clear were again cleared to 13000 ft. Climbing through about 9000 ft TCASII mandated a descent for traffic above us at 12 O'clock. We followed the commands of the vertical speed indicator until issued appropriate TCASII indications at approximately 8000 ft. ATC said traffic was not a factor. We said we had to follow TCASII. We then resumed normal climb. Comments: how many deaths will it take to keep uncontrolled aircraft out of busy airspace such as this? I came from GA and firmly feel every aircraft in this type of airspace should be with ATC, assigned a code, have an encoding altimeter and preferably TCASII. Tell the AOPA lobby that the 'good old days are gone'! It's unsafe! Period!
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR MLG REVERSED CLB OUT FROM BUR IN RESPONSE TO TCASII TA.
Narrative: DURING CLB OUT FROM BURBANK ARPT, CLRED TO 13000 FT AND TOLD TO LEVEL AT ABOUT 4800 FT FOR TFC. WE DID SO AND SPOTTED HIGH WING SINGLE ENG ACFT DOING AIR WORK AT 12 O'CLOCK SLIGHTLY ABOVE OUR ALT. WE DSNDED TO 4500 AND PASSED UNDER TFC, AS HE DID STEEP TURN, ETC. AFTER CLR WERE AGAIN CLRED TO 13000 FT. CLBING THROUGH ABOUT 9000 FT TCASII MANDATED A DSCNT FOR TFC ABOVE US AT 12 O'CLOCK. WE FOLLOWED THE COMMANDS OF THE VERT SPD INDICATOR UNTIL ISSUED APPROPRIATE TCASII INDICATIONS AT APPROX 8000 FT. ATC SAID TFC WAS NOT A FACTOR. WE SAID WE HAD TO FOLLOW TCASII. WE THEN RESUMED NORMAL CLB. COMMENTS: HOW MANY DEATHS WILL IT TAKE TO KEEP UNCTLED ACFT OUT OF BUSY AIRSPACE SUCH AS THIS? I CAME FROM GA AND FIRMLY FEEL EVERY ACFT IN THIS TYPE OF AIRSPACE SHOULD BE WITH ATC, ASSIGNED A CODE, HAVE AN ENCODING ALTIMETER AND PREFERABLY TCASII. TELL THE AOPA LOBBY THAT THE 'GOOD OLD DAYS ARE GONE'! IT'S UNSAFE! PERIOD!
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.